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Old 9th September 2009, 22:47
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Night fighter Me-110 loss on 29/30 August 1944

Hello!
Polish Lancaster BH-M PA163 which took part in a bombing mission over Stettin on 29/30 August 1944 is believed to shot down one german night fighter Me-110 (maybe from 3./NJG 3 ??) over Denmark during that raid.

After that victory this bomber was shot down by another Me-110 (probably Ofw. Schmitz from 3./NJG 7) and crashed near Alestrup in Denmark. Also it is likely that victorious Me-110 was also damged and crashed on landing causing the crew getting injured and recovering until the end of a war...

Is it possible to confirm both Me-110 losses?
If so, may I get more details and the source of the information?
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Old 10th September 2009, 07:04
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Re: Night fighter Me-110 loss on 29/30 August 1944

Hi Gregor
I do not think that Wasik was attacked by more than one german nightfighter. He was shot down shortly after he crossed the west coast of Jutland on the way to the target.

The german night fighters had only a few planes in the area (they were at that time flying to a point further east of the place where the combat took place).

There is no information about damage to Oberfeldwebel Schmitz's Ju 88.

No units operating Bf 110 were at that time of the night ready to attack the bomber force over Jutland.
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Re: Night fighter Me-110 loss on 29/30 August 1944

Thank you Delmenhorst for your quick reply.
Is there any night fighter (Me-110, Ju88, He-219 etc.) loss confirmed in the area over Jutland at that time?

If Oberfeldwebel Schmitz had been unhurt after his first victory and his plane had been undamaged, did he manage to collect more victories in the next few days or weeks?
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Old 10th September 2009, 14:20
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Re: Night fighter Me-110 loss on 29/30 August 1944

Hi Gregor
You will find a list of crashed aircrafts in denmark on this address:
http://www.flensted.eu.com/
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Old 10th September 2009, 17:32
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Re: Night fighter Me-110 loss on 29/30 August 1944

1 I NJG3 F Schweden westküste F glatt gelandet BF110G-4 140660 100
4 II NJG3 F Stolpmünde 20 km NNO A see JU88G-1 710525 100


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Beyersdörfer willi uffz,akt, bf v-le 090919-Godramstein/Westmark-
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Wartenberger gerhard ofhr f t aus vm 031044 111022-Beilrode/Torgau-53101/68b
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Old 10th September 2009, 20:06
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Re: Night fighter Me-110 loss on 29/30 August 1944

The Bf 110 from I./NJG 3 was first much later in the night and that combat took place off the Swedish coast. Stolpmünde is in Germany a looooong way from northern Jutland.
I would love to find another damaged German night fighter, but I doubt it
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Re: Night fighter Me-110 loss on 29/30 August 1944

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Hi Gregor
You will find a list of crashed aircrafts in denmark on this address:
http://www.flensted.eu.com/
Hello Soren!
Is this list complete?
I have checked that list and there`s no sign of a german nightfighter damaged or destroyed on 29/30 Sugust 1944...
It seems that the claim I mentioned in my first post it`s hardly to be confirmed...
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Old 11th September 2009, 10:07
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Re: Night fighter Me-110 loss on 29/30 August 1944

Hi Gregor
As far as I know it is complete for aircrafts crashed in Denmark. The criterias for being on the site is given on the front page.
Try having a look at the allied aircraft section for that night. There is found a list of combats.
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Old 11th September 2009, 14:04
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Re: Night fighter Me-110 loss on 29/30 August 1944

Hello all,

I./NJG 1 from Venlo were also sent to Stettin and Königsberg that night, most of these landing in Grove/Denmark, without any claims or damage as far as my knowledge reaches.

Other references found (option 1 a possibility, option 2-4 unlikely):

1) Bf110G-4 (Wnr. 140660), 1./NJG 3, NW-Coast Sweden, 100% loss, 1 KIA, 1 WIA. According to NVM: Bei Feindflug an der Nordwestküste Schweden durch Jäger oder Bomber beschossen. Treffer von de(?) Seite. ------ des Bordfunkers. Rettung unmöglich, in der Maschine ---------.
Certain parts in the NVM text have been blackened and are not readable.

2) Bf110G-4 (Wnr. 140329), C9+GU of 10./NJG 5, Königsberg, Luftkampf, 3 WIA

3) Ju88G-1 (Wnr. 710525), 4./NJG 3, NNW Stolpmünde

4) Ju88G-1 (Wnr. 714244), 1./NJG 5, Königsberg, aerial combat, 1 WIA, 1 OK?

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Old 11th September 2009, 20:16
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Re: Night fighter Me-110 loss on 29/30 August 1944

Hi Gregor30

I am in these days laying the last hand on a 375 pages book about the attacks on Stettin, Kiel and Königsberg in the last part of August 1944. I have been researching for this book 'for a few years' and I am pretty convinced that PA163 was shot down without doing any serious damage to the attacking German night fighter. There were only a few night fighters scrambled early enough to encounter the early crossing of the west coast of Jutland and none of these night fighters were Bf 110. It was Ju 88's as far as I found out.

I think that it was wishful thinking of Wasik (if the information about the damaged German night fighter comes from him). His whole crew was killed.
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