Walter Schuck´s and Franz Dörr´s first unconfirmed victories

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In his book „Abschuss“ (p.27-28) the then Gefr. Walter Schuck of 1.(Erg.)/JG 3 describes as he together with his Rottenführer Uffz. Franz „Papa“ Dörr t/o off at dusk from Bergen-aan-Zee on a patrol and discovered deep beneath them a four-engined bomber identified as a „Halifax“ flying west obviously returning after a night bombing sortie. Schuck attacked and hit the right wing, whereupon the bomber emitted a whitish cloud of liquid. The bomber then hid in a cloud bank some 50m above the sea. Schuck followed and discovered the shadow of the bomber again, when Dörr called him via radio „Sohndel (nickname for Schuck), I got a problem with my machine, the oil temperature is much too high and is still rising“. Schuck had to abort and accompy Dörr back to base on his dangerous flight over sea, but delivered a quick last attack claiming to have shot out the right outer engine of the four-engined and flaming the right wing. Because of Dörr´s emergency he could not observe further results and claim a victory. Dörr returned back to base safely to become like Schuck a great ace in JG 5.
The incident happened after 21.8.41 and before the beginning of September 1941. From time and location the attack could have happened on 29.8.41 on Stirling I N3666 of 7 Sq. RAF, though the bomber crew claimed to have been attacked by a „Me-110“ and the german pilots claimed a „Halifax“, but this could happen in difficult visual conditions (clouds, twilight).


According to Schuck „Abschuss“ Fw. Franz „Papa“ Dörr of 1.(Erg.)/JG 3 s/d a Wellington bomber at night in October 1941 from a small formation that the RAF to attack Esbjerg (Denmark), base of 1.(Erg./JG 3. One possible victim cozld have been Wellington IC Z8946 „DX-S“ of 57 Sq. RAF (P/O J.A. Watson & crew), that was lost during the night 26-27 October 1941 in fact on a bombing mission to Hamburg (t/o 1810 Feltwell). The crew was last heard on w/t at 2334h. It crashed in the tidal area S of Rømø Island with three crewmembers being KIA, the others were picked up by a marine vessel and taken to Sylt.
According to Flensted´s website: While on the return flight Z8946 was hit by flak from 2. Zug Der 3./ 836 which fired 60 rounds against the aircraft, which in turn crashed in the tidal waters south of Rømø island at 00:20 hours.

There are more doubts about this incident as I´m quite unsure if Dörr was capable of flying a Bf.109 in a October night with limited navigational aids and gain a success.

Sure enough both victories were not confirmed, Schuck did not even claimed...

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