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Old 2nd December 2017, 20:03
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Allied losses on 09/07/1943 in Sicily

Hi guys

That day,who can complete my info

Two A-36 lost in Taormina (Time?)
I found only one of 27°FBG (Time?)

Four A-20 lost (47°BG??) Time?

Four P-40 of 324°FG (Time?)
-Capt.Don B M Wood
-2lt Warren McHenry
-Lt W S Buchanan
-pilot? P-40 "Brittle II"

Others??

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Michel
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Old 2nd December 2017, 23:45
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Re: Allied losses on 09/07/1943 in Sicily

Hello Michel,
Which one ?
9th July, 1943
Or
7th September, 1943
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Old 3rd December 2017, 00:13
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Re: Allied losses on 09/07/1943 in Sicily

9th of July:

A-20B Havoc 41-3425 of 97th BS, 47th BG. 1/Lt Irvin E Artz and crew all KIA is attributed to Fw. Helmut Kuehl of 9./JG 53. Claim at 0740.

At 1112, the same pilot claimed Boston FA298 of 223 sqn. F/O Anthony Kent Biggs RAAF and crew all KIA
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Old 3rd December 2017, 01:41
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Re: Allied losses on 09/07/1943 in Sicily

Hello Michel,
OK,
9th July,1943
A-36
42-83573 - 27BG - 16BS - MACR 37 - Eichenlaub.
P40
41-19994 - 324FG - 316FS - MACR 47 - Dempsey.
41-14231 - 324FS - 316FS - MACR48 - Chalked.
41-14268 - 324FG - 316FS - MACR 49 - Selig.
41-19757 - 324FG - 316FS - MACR 50 - Carpenter.
A20
41-3425 - 47BG - 97BS - MACR 103A - Artz.
41-3250 - 47BG - 97BS MACR 103B - Smith.

10th July 1943
A-36
42-83817 - 27BG - 91BS - MACR 107 - Thompson.

However from what I understand none of the names you gave are connected to any of the above losses.
Wood was 8th July 43.
P40 42-10460 - 324FG - 315 FS - MACR 62.
As was McHenry,
P40 41-13939 MACR 63.
Alex

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Old 3rd December 2017, 11:02
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Re: Allied losses on 09/07/1943 in Sicily

Thanks

According to B.Cull and Cie (Spit over Sicily) four A-20 were lost and two A-36 (one belonging to 86°FBG??)

An Italian source (M.Mattioli) quotes the pilot parachuted from the P-40 "Brittle II" and the P-40 41-19736 (316°Fsq) severely damaged (Lt Buchanan) and scrapped (the 08/07 or 09/07 ?? it does not seem very clear!

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Old 3rd December 2017, 13:39
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Re: Allied losses on 09/07/1943 in Sicily

Hello,

9-7-1943
No.55 Sqn RAF.
Baltimore IIIA FA331

Shot down by flak over Trapani, Sicily.

1193584 F/Sgt (Pilot) Alexander William BAINES RAFVR + - Malta Memorial
1056806 F/Sgt (Nav./B) T JEFFERSON RAFVR - PoW
AUS407877 W/O (W.Op./AG) Raymond George REED RAAF + - Malta Memorial
1439215 F/Sgt (Air Gnr.) Cyril WHITFIELD RAFVR + - Malta Memorial

9-7-1943
No.223 Sqn RAF
Baltimore IIIA FA298

Shot down by Bf 109s in sea off Siciliy.

AUS412886 F/O (Pilot) Anthony Biggs KENT RAAF +
132767 F/O (Nav./B) David Arnott JENKINS RAFVR +
1021740 Sgt (W.Op./AG) Harry Gordon SPEAKMAN RAFVR +
1313183 F/Sgt (Air Gnr.) Bernard McGRAIL RAFVR +

All commemorated on the Alamein Memorial.

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Old 4th December 2017, 15:20
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Re: Allied losses on 09/07/1943 in Sicily

For three of the 324th Fighter Group losses on July 9, 1943, the MACR's give Capt. Robert C. Dempsey as 11:00 hours, Capt. David E. Carpenter at 11:00 hours and Lt. Charles L. Chalker (not Chalked) at 0730 hours.

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Old 4th December 2017, 15:23
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Re: Allied losses on 09/07/1943 in Sicily

Fourth 324th loss on July 9, 1943, Lt. Emile J. Selig, Jr., time given as 0730 hours and he was in 41-14288 (not -268).

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