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Old 29th March 2017, 18:37
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A possible K.G.200 candidate

With Reference to HW 5/491 there is a report from a Luftwaffe workshop at Celle about a Mustang received on 26. May 1944. The Serial number was given as 36805 and completion of work stated to be uncertain. The actual work required was brake repairs.

Some Google research gave the following information: North American P-51B
Mustang ser.no. 43-6805 and HO-C "Marjorie II" of 487 Fighter Squadron, 352 Fighter Group, was lost to groundfire and crashed at Grosz Helen, Kreis Celle on 24. May 1944. The pilot Lt. James D. Hannon was taken POW.

If the plane "survived" the accident with no more than brake problems, it could be a candidate aircraft for K.G.200. Can anyone provide further information.
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Old 29th March 2017, 23:39
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Re: A possible K.G.200 candidate

Just a thought. Have you checked if it was possibly RAF Mustang IV
with garbled factory serial ?

http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_serials/1944_1.html

North American P-51K-15-NT Mustang
44-12553/12852 cn 111-36036/36135

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Old 30th March 2017, 22:55
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Re: A possible K.G.200 candidate

Hi,

I do not have this one in my list - tried to find a matching number combination.

The Mustangs I have with the Luftwaffe and being repaired are:

Aircraft id |Aircraft model | Serial or Marking | Shot down at | Date | Assigned to | At date | Comment

2. | Mustang | 413 616 | Oberhaching | 11.9.44 | K.G.200 | 1.2.45 | 20% loss, loaded for transport to Prenzlau on 10.1.45

4. | Mustang | 92 7 91/R | Scharfenberg | 5.12.44 | Fl.I.Z.(v) z.b.V. | 17.12.44 | used for parts

9. | Mustang III | 4210358 | Ödenburg | 9.12.44 | OKL Vers.Verb. | - | Landed on its wheels

10. | Mustang D | 415 174 | Ödenburg | 9.12.44 | - | - | 35% damage to cooler - deposed of due to the situation on the ground

18. | Mustang D | 41 4 42 | Reureld | 6.10.44 | OKL Vers.Verb. | 15.12.44 | 10% cooler damage

20. | Mustang D/10/NA | 414 358 | Laupheim | 3.1.45 | - | - | used for parts, broken wings and fuselage

21. | Mustang | J Star G4, 415 527 | Goost-Gutberg south of Wittenberge | 14.1.45 | LZA Göttg. | 19.1.45 | used for parts, wings repaired and transferred to OKL 2. Versuchsverband on 22.3.45

23. | Mustang D | 44-63162 | Bad Eilsen | 20.1.45 | Focke-Wulf | 24.1.45 | for repairs and testing

25. | Mustang | 6 Z Star, E 24 8 34, FG 798 | Kirchdaun | 3.2.45 | Focke-Wulf | 24.1.45 | for repairs and testing

27. | Mustang | 4413412 | - | - | Fl.I.Z.(v) z.b.V. | 10.2.45 | used for spares for 415 174

28. | Mustang | 4312147 | Leeder/Kempten | 18.7.44 | Fl.I.Z.(v) z.b.V. | 10.2.45 | used for spares for 415 174

29. | Mustang D | 4413905 | Barmersdorf | 20.2.45 | 2./OKL-V.Verband | - | landed on wheels, 1 damaged propeller blade, will be repaired quickly

31. | Mustang D | 44-14271 | Wiesbaden | - | - | - | -

33. | Mustang | 411 363 | Zerbst | 2.3.45 | - | - | Landed on its wheels

34. | Mustang | 463 189 | Buhlendorf | 10.3.45 | - | - | -

35. | Mustang | 415 266 | Schora | 2.3.45 | - | - | -

36. | Mustang | 411 739 | Cilly | 22.2.45 | - | - | -

37. | Mustang | 411 696 | Schwanebeck | 3.3.45 | - | - | -


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Old 30th March 2017, 23:33
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Re: A possible K.G.200 candidate

Unfortunately, the earliest Abschuss on the document being quoted from is 28 August 1944. Even more unfortunately, it seems to be the only listing of this sort.
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Re: A possible K.G.200 candidate

Hi, as far as I can see the earliest date for Mustangs is July 18th 1944.

There are other documents - but they are single aircraft related only.

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Re: A possible K.G.200 candidate

Andreas - Interesting. The document I was thinking of is the 'Instandsetzung von Feindlugzeugen 15.3.45' so possibly a slightly different one to the one you're quoting from as the first entry on this is for a B-17 28.8.44.

Edit - Scratch that - It's the same document. I see the Mustang you're referring to halfway down page two in the midst of the 1945 entries.
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Re: A possible K.G.200 candidate

Hopefully Tom Willis will share his knowledge on this subject.
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Re: A possible K.G.200 candidate

The one I have always wondered about was No. 25 on Andreas' list. The only I can make out from the following sequence "6 Z Star, E 24 8 34, FG 798" is that it is a USAAF (star) Mustang.
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Re: A possible K.G.200 candidate

Andreas

Two dates are odd in your list.
Check id no 25 and their dates. You have it assigned to Focke Wulf before it had crashed.... Perhaps a switch between the dates?

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