German losses on Norwegian west coast 1944

[westmouth]

Where can I find info on German losses on the Norwegian west coast 1944. Particularly on F-W 190 during July to sept 1944

[gaupe75]

For example here:
http://www.luftwaffe.be/publications...band-3-band-4/

luftwaffe.no, which is down until further notice

[westmouth]

Ok, thanks.

[Laurent Rizzotti]

From an old file saved from the ancestor of luftwaffe.no, six Fw 190 in your time period:

Date;Aircraft;Unit;Start;S.det.;WNr;Vknz.;Reason;; Dam.;Loss;Pilot;Ploss;Area;Place down
26/09/1944;Focke-Wulf Fw 190 F-8;13./JG 5;unk;?A;WNr. 058 1665;Weisse 11;Russian A/C;;;100%;Uffz. Kurt Thonemann (+);1-0-0-0;NORWAY;Cra/s off Vadsø
26/09/1944;Focke-Wulf Fw 190 F-8;13./JG 5;unk;5F;WNr. 581668;Hvit 10;Russian A/C;;;100%;Uffz. Hermann Hagenmeyer (+);1-0-0-0;NORWAY;Cra/s Vadsø omr.
24/10/1944;Focke-Wulf Fw 190 F-8;13./JG 5;Berlevaag;5A;WNr. 058 0694;;Russian A/C;78 IAP Hawk;;100%;Fw. Gustav Scharwächter (+);1-0-0-0;NORWAY;Cra/s Kongsfjorden, NW Båtsfjord
19/11/1944;Focke-Wulf Fw 190 A-8;9./JG 5;Bardufoss;5A;WNr. 0732 167;Weisse 4;Accident;;;95%;Fhr. Karl Amm (w);0-0-1-0;NORWAY;Sta/ from airfield Bardufoss
12/12/1944;Focke-Wulf Fw 190 A-8;9./JG 5;Bardufoss;5A;WNr. 0690 158;;Accident;;;100%;Ltn. Walter Peters (+);1-0-0-0;NORWAY;Sta/ from airfield Bardufoss
13/12/1944;Focke-Wulf Fw 190 A-3;13./JG 5;Herdla?;3N;WNr. 135491;;Accident;motor;;95%;Fhr. Waldemar Ölmann (s);0-0-1-0;NORWAY;Lan/ på Herdla flyplass

[Laurent Rizzotti]

You can also search the Internet Archive machine for the luftwaffe.no pages:

Version of the 1943 losses webpage from 2017:
https://web.archive.org/web/20170211...ses/tap43.html
(note: despite the title, it lists also part of the losses of 1944 and 1945 with all known losses of 1943)

1944 losses webpage from 2015:
https://web.archive.org/web/20150529...ses/tap44.html

[westmouth]

Thanks a lot, will look into this!

[gaupe75]

Originally Posted by Laurent Rizzotti

From an old file saved from the ancestor of luftwaffe.no, six Fw 190 in your time period:

Date;Aircraft;Unit;Start;S.det.;WNr;Vknz.;Reason;; Dam.;Loss;Pilot;Ploss;Area;Place down
26/09/1944;Focke-Wulf Fw 190 F-8;13./JG 5;unk;?A;WNr. 058 1665;Weisse 11;Russian A/C;;;100%;Uffz. Kurt Thonemann (+);1-0-0-0;NORWAY;Cra/s off Vadsø
26/09/1944;Focke-Wulf Fw 190 F-8;13./JG 5;unk;5F;WNr. 581668;Hvit 10;Russian A/C;;;100%;Uffz. Hermann Hagenmeyer (+);1-0-0-0;NORWAY;Cra/s Vadsø omr.
24/10/1944;Focke-Wulf Fw 190 F-8;13./JG 5;Berlevaag;5A;WNr. 058 0694;;Russian A/C;78 IAP Hawk;;100%;Fw. Gustav Scharwächter (+);1-0-0-0;NORWAY;Cra/s Kongsfjorden, NW Båtsfjord
19/11/1944;Focke-Wulf Fw 190 A-8;9./JG 5;Bardufoss;5A;WNr. 0732 167;Weisse 4;Accident;;;95%;Fhr. Karl Amm (w);0-0-1-0;NORWAY;Sta/ from airfield Bardufoss
12/12/1944;Focke-Wulf Fw 190 A-8;9./JG 5;Bardufoss;5A;WNr. 0690 158;;Accident;;;100%;Ltn. Walter Peters (+);1-0-0-0;NORWAY;Sta/ from airfield Bardufoss
13/12/1944;Focke-Wulf Fw 190 A-3;13./JG 5;Herdla?;3N;WNr. 135491;;Accident;motor;;95%;Fhr. Waldemar Ölmann (s);0-0-1-0;NORWAY;Lan/ på Herdla flyplass

None of these fits the dates here, the first five is some thousand kilometers away, and the latest one is in winter time, when III./JG5 moved south.

The only thing that fits, is a transfer flight going north, but that was a loss of pilot, which does not seem like the case here.

Are we talking about a loss on land or at sea here?

[westmouth]

Regrettably you are right, no matches here.

We are talking about this incident http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=50131
I.e. a total loss of th plane, most likely a F-W 190 based on the parts found at the time. It landed/crashed at Harøy, which is abt 10-15 Miles SSW of Gossen airbase, the JG5 used this base at the time. The pilot was more or less unharmed.
Seem strange that there is no registration of this incident.

[Chris Goss]

German records for this time are incomplete & you generally can only get those where the pilot is a casualty which according to you he was not

[gaupe75]

Originally Posted by Chris Goss

German records for this time are incomplete & you generally can only get those where the pilot is a casualty which according to you he was not

But there is a faint hope that there could have been a ULTRA-message concering a loss?