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Old 4th November 2017, 17:34
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Soviet losses 4-5. May 1945

Hello, please advice and help. Does anyone have a list of Soviet losses on the 4th-5th. May 1945 over the territory of the Czech Republic and Poland. Thank you. MT
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Old 4th November 2017, 18:49
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Re: Soviet losses 4-5. May 1945

IL-2m3, S/N: 12016 was lost on May 4, 1945 from 8 VA, 224 ShAD, 565 ShAP.

IL-2m3, S/N: 11939 was lost on May 4, 1945 from 8 VA, 224 ShAD, 996 ShAP.

IL-2m3, S/N: 18879125, engine no.: 2515263 of 8 VA, 224 ShAD, 565 ShAP has been shot down on May 5, 1945 with the ст.л-т Моторин Николай Яковлевич and ст.с-т Гукосьян Абгарович crew at Bělotín-E, Czech.

IL-10, S/N: 1890802 crashed on May 5, 1945 from 8 VA, 224 ShAD, 571 ShAP.

Pe-2, S/N: 19/296, engines: 41-4359 and 34-3951 (tail: white "4") of 48 GvORAP crashed on May 5, 1945 running out of fuel at Vajnory, Slovakia with ст.л-т Лукьяненко Яков Михайлович crew.

Probably more, but no info here. I hope this helps.
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Old 6th November 2017, 14:36
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Re: Soviet losses 4-5. May 1945

By the way, Motorin's IL-2 (No.18879125) has been recovered still in 2009, the AM-38F engine No.2515263 was clearly visible.
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Old 6th November 2017, 21:51
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Re: Soviet losses 4-5. May 1945

And Motorin was awarded postumously the title of Hero of the Soviet Union.
http://www.warheroes.ru/hero/hero.asp?Hero_id=15025
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Old 8th November 2017, 11:55
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Re: Soviet losses 4-5. May 1945

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IL-2m3, S/N: 12016 was lost on May 4, 1945 from 8 VA, 224 ShAD, 565 ShAP.

IL-2m3, S/N: 11939 was lost on May 4, 1945 from 8 VA, 224 ShAD, 996 ShAP.

IL-2m3, S/N: 18879125, engine no.: 2515263 of 8 VA, 224 ShAD, 565 ShAP has been shot down on May 5, 1945 with the ст.л-т Моторин Николай Яковлевич and ст.с-т Гукосьян Абгарович crew at Bělotín-E, Czech.

IL-10, S/N: 1890802 crashed on May 5, 1945 from 8 VA, 224 ShAD, 571 ShAP.

Pe-2, S/N: 19/296, engines: 41-4359 and 34-3951 (tail: white "4") of 48 GvORAP crashed on May 5, 1945 running out of fuel at Vajnory, Slovakia with ст.л-т Лукьяненко Яков Михайлович crew.

Probably more, but no info here. I hope this helps.
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Gabor, are any of these related to known aerial victories by Luftwaffe pilots?
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Old 8th November 2017, 13:56
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Re: Soviet losses 4-5. May 1945

No. All of these (except for the Pe-2) were lost to flak, which does not surprise me at all. In those final days the Luftwaffe had no power (no planes, no airfields, no fuel, no ammo, no nothing) and overall I am very sceptic about their final 'claims'. The ground forces were able to catch some low flying planes here and there, but realistically: that was all.

On May 4-5, 1945 the 565, 996 and 571 ShAP still had heavy fights in the Bern-Sternberg-Olomouc area where they lost a few planes. All to flak!

The 17 VA, 136 ShAD, 715 ShAP lost an IL-2 at Miroslav, Czech on May 7, 1945 to flak again. (IL-2, S/N: 12656, engine no.: 2516962, tail No.: '25', мл.л-т Кравцев Петр Васильевич crew, KIA).

The next day, on May 8, 1945 - without the details - the 571 ShAP lost 3 IL-10: 1892604, 1890604 and 1893203, the 565 ShAP lost 2 IL-2: 9816 and 10529, while the 996 ShAP lost one IL-2. (No.: 18845111) All to flak. See some details of soviet reports on their May 4-5 losses below.
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Old 12th November 2017, 01:40
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Re: Soviet losses 4-5. May 1945

On May 4, 1945, IL-2m3, S/N: 1875861 of 1 VA, 1 GvShAD, 136 ShAP has been shot down by flak during their 3rd approach/strike of the target with the гв.л-т Костыгин Василий Матвеевич crew near Satland(?) - couldn't read the location clearly.

On May 5, 1945 an IL-10 was lost from 1 VA, 1 GvShAD, 75 GvShAP with Gv.Maj. Filimonov (dep. comm. of regiment)'s crew onboard. (Couldn't read the event clearly, perhaps it was just damaged and got repaired afterwards, as no AC serial was given.)

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Old 12th November 2017, 15:02
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Re: Soviet losses 4-5. May 1945

On May 5, 1945 Ml.Lt Mikhail Timofeevich Galkin's (8 VA, 565 ShAP) and Sgt. Vasilii Moiseevich Guzhov's IL-2m3 has been shot down by Flak over Životice, Czech.
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