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Old 1st May 2012, 01:44
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I look forward to the Libyan's transporting it to the Uk as a gift (to say thanks to the modern RAF for helping in their fight for freedom) and seeing it being resored to flying condition at Duxford.
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Old 1st May 2012, 01:47
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In photo 10 of the picasaweb series of pictures it clearly shows the ref. H-87A-3 stamped in the wing and a part no. starting with 87....which would in indicate it was one of 540 Kittyhawks produced with the a/c serials in my previous thread. According to 'Curtiss Fighter Aircraft 1917-1948' by Francis Dean and Dan Hagedorn, page 294, the 540 aircraft were bought by the British government in Contract A-1835 commencing with AK591, before Lend Lease took effect.

The pipe type exhausts indicate an early model Kittyhawk, Mk I or IA.

Looking through my Air Britain serials book (through the 540 a/c), assuming it is a 260 Sqd a/c, I could see only two possibles that could be considered:
AL134 lost on 7.9.1942
AK693 lost on 16.5.1942

If someone could check the 260 Sqd RAF ORB there may be some clues from the above dates.

I look forward to seeing if anyone can add any further info to what I have put forward.

Doug
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excuse me but nearly a month and no ONE-as ID who it belong too.
just the 2-what about engine changes etc serial numbers.
im not tryin to start a war' but for one P40 found its takin a long time to ID the pilot.
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Old 1st May 2012, 03:42
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Re: Kittyhawk Found in Sahara

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I look forward to the Libyan's transporting it to the Uk as a gift (to say thanks to the modern RAF for helping in their fight for freedom) and seeing it being resored to flying condition at Duxford.
Since it belongs to the Egyptians that probably won't happen. And heaven forbid it is 'restored'

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Old 1st May 2012, 11:18
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Re: Kittyhawk Found in Sahara

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In photo 10 of the picasaweb series of pictures it clearly shows the ref. H-87A-3 stamped in the wing and a part no. starting with 87....which would in indicate it was one of 540 Kittyhawks produced with the a/c serials in my previous thread. According to 'Curtiss Fighter Aircraft 1917-1948' by Francis Dean and Dan Hagedorn, page 294, the 540 aircraft were bought by the British government in Contract A-1835 commencing with AK591, before Lend Lease took effect.

The pipe type exhausts indicate an early model Kittyhawk, Mk I or IA.

Looking through my Air Britain serials book (through the 540 a/c), assuming it is a 260 Sqd a/c, I could see only two possibles that could be considered:
AL134 lost on 7.9.1942
AK693 lost on 16.5.1942

If someone could check the 260 Sqd RAF ORB there may be some clues from the above dates.

I look forward to seeing if anyone can add any further info to what I have put forward.

Doug
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I have AK951 AK999 C/N 18695 18743 as H87-A2 (Kittyhawk I) and AL100 AL230 C/N 18744 18874 as H87-A2 (Kittyhawk I) not not H-87A-3

ET100 ET519 C/N 19287 19706, USAAF 41-24776 41-25195 as H87-A3 P-40E-1 (Kittyhawk IA) and ET520 EV699 C/N 19707 20786 USAAF 41-35874 41-36953 as H87-A3 P-40E-1 (Kittyhawk IA)

- Also one of the worlds best P-40 experts has tentively identified its a P-40E CU-1 subtype which is a H87-A3
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Old 1st May 2012, 11:33
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Re: Kittyhawk Found in Sahara

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excuse me but nearly a month and no ONE-as ID who it belong too.
just the 2-what about engine changes etc serial numbers.
im not tryin to start a war' but for one P40 found its takin a long time to ID the pilot.
sharon
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This aircraft is in the middle of no where.. Was found by people with no knowledge of aircraft serial numbers or construction numbers or how to find these experts initially (someone got his mate to post the first pictures on his modelling site probably because he was the only person he knew with an interest in aircraft - looking at the friends models he appears more interested in concept flying models anyway) and with no visible ID on it other than HS-B (and the 'B' only came later) - we will have to wait until the site is visited by people who know what to look for

People have a suspect ID, but it is only that..

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Old 1st May 2012, 15:22
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Re: Kittyhawk Found in Sahara

Sharon,

As Paul said, it is not as though you can just pop down the road to have a look. It is in the middle of Egypt, you need a vehicle, drivers and escorts. These guys are workers, not tourists and don't work 9-5, 5 days a week.

One month! Considering the 'news' on the web is only 2 weeks old, I think we have a staggering amount of information. 15 years ago the news would be trickling through about some plane with roundels found in the desert and would have taken 6 months to get to where we are now!

The ID is at the top of a list of very important questions/requests. If I asked you if you could tell me the engine number on a Ford Focus with number plate AF54 RFS located on the Shetlands, how long would it take you to get it to me?

It is frustrating (you have no idea) as there is a lot wanting to confirm the identity and status of the pilot above anything else!

Yours frustrated

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Old 1st May 2012, 18:05
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Re: Kittyhawk Found in Sahara

From some of the other forums,

"On 28/6/42 ET574 Piloted by F/Sgt DCH Copping 785025 left 260 for a ferry flight to an RSU . The A/C flew with u/c locked down due to damage . An incorrect course was set and the A/C was thought to have crashed in the Desert due to fuel exhaustion.
F/Sgt Copping is listed as missing on that date
Now I'm not saying this is the A/C , just that it MIGHT be, in view of :-
a) there being no apparent signs of Battle damage
b) the fact that the U/C was wiped off in the crash"


"Have also been given the OK to confirm that the Royal Air Force Museum, Hendon. London are actively pursuing this P40 with the intention to recover and conserve. This is being dealt with at the highest levels."
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Old 1st May 2012, 20:42
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Sharon,

As Paul said, it is not as though you can just pop down the road to have a look. It is in the middle of Egypt, you need a vehicle, drivers and escorts. These guys are workers, not tourists and don't work 9-5, 5 days a week.

One month! Considering the 'news' on the web is only 2 weeks old, I think we have a staggering amount of information. 15 years ago the news would be trickling through about some plane with roundels found in the desert and would have taken 6 months to get to where we are now!

The ID is at the top of a list of very important questions/requests. If I asked you if you could tell me the engine number on a Ford Focus with number plate AF54 RFS located on the Shetlands, how long would it take you to get it to me?

It is frustrating (you have no idea) as there is a lot wanting to confirm the identity and status of the pilot above anything else!

Yours frustrated

Mark
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I agree but remember 1956 lady b good found on newspapers.
yet we have one of ours..you dont see it plastered today in the news-
WW2 P40 FOUND INTACT IN THE DESERT.)even On the- News at Ten..
pathetic'''many moons ago circa 1988 -you would have seen a snipet in the newspapers or radio..RADIO ONE-as i recall mentioned flight 19 found have this on tape-/turned out not to be them...but at least we folks would have known..and BBc1s newsround featured them..
you wonder why kids-and erm -um-decent folks dont care .better been down the pub's..
where his the -MOD-not a whisper''
you got our army lads.fighting ' yet..this fellow died 70 years ago..and No One cares.
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Re: Kittyhawk Found in Sahara

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you wonder why kids-and erm -um-decent folks dont care .better been down the pub's.. where his the -MOD-not a whisper'' you got our army lads.fighting ' yet..this fellow died 70 years ago..and No One cares.
sharon'
Not the clearest piece of reasoning I've ever seen. Are we even sure that the aircraft's pilot died? If he didn't and since this is not the only P-40 in existence, the story would probably be little more than a curiosity to the mass media.
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Old 2nd May 2012, 11:10
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Re: Kittyhawk Found in Sahara

Nick but mainly pointed at Sharon

News Agencies are asking about the P40 but I want to confirm the ID's first to see if there is a pilot missing.

Then I am sure it will be reported in the main press shortly after and RAFM are happy to report there interest and ongoing discussions.

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