Questions about three Luftwaffe losses on 30 October 1944

[Laurent Rizzotti]

Hello, I have questions about the thre following German losses on 30 October 1944:

1) Uffz Walter Köpp of 1./JG 54 baled out from his Fw 190 A-9 WNr 205237 "white 16" due to engine damage in Auce area, Courland (written Autz in German sources) but did not survive, according to the Rosipal's JG 54 loss list. The Volksung had an Uffz Walter Köpp with the same date of birth who died the next day, 31 October, at "Feldlaz. 3/572 Grobin, Kurland" (field hospital 3/572, Grobin). Grobin being a base used by JG 54, it seems to me failry possible that Köpp was not killed after bailing out but heavily wounded, and died the next day after being brought back to base. Can someone confirm ?

See: http://www.volksbund.de/index.php?id...rlustsuche_pi2[gid]=acb077ba129085a561ea98385ec159b0

2) Gefr Hans-Herbert Schwarz of 9./JG 54 is listed by Rosipal JG 54 loss list as being wounded in a crash-landing at Gutenfeld, East Prussia (now Lugovojė, Russia) after engine troubles. His Fw 190 A-8 (unknown serial) is listed at a 100% loss. The location is strange for a III./JG 54 loss, as this Gruppe was then in western Germany. And the Luftwaffe losses summary database has no loss (or damage) for III./JG 54 this day, but one aircraft "destroyed without enemy action on non-operational flight" for II./JG 54. This Gruppe will be more logic for this location. Can someone confirm to which unit Schwarz belonged ? The serial number of his Fw 190 A-8 would be an appreciated bonus.

3) According to the Luftwaffe in the North loss list (no more online), on this day a Ju 88 A-4 of 5./KG 6 was at 100% destroyed in an accident (landing or take-off) on Fühlsbüttel airfield. The pilot, Gfr. Rulemann Grisson, and the three other crew were killed. I would like the names of the other crew, and any other available data on this loss.

Thanks in advance