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Old 17th August 2005, 13:57
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JG 27, 52,53 and 77 pilot losses for 1943

Hello, does anyone know how many of these casualities were reported for 1943 in these units? i mean pilots kia, kifa,mia and wia with no more combat. Please respond, thanks anticipated.Bogdan

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Old 19th October 2005, 05:52
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Re: JG 27, 52,53 and 77 pilot losses for 1943

Google "MIA jg/77' YOU SHOULD FIND ERIC MOMBEEK'S SITE,. this will get you most of the information you're seeking
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Old 19th October 2005, 11:16
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Re: JG 27, 52,53 and 77 pilot losses for 1943

A list of the losses of JG 52 is available on the Net: http://www.denkmalprojekt.org/Verlus..._vl_chrono.htm

For 1943, JG 52 lost:
55 KIA
9 KIFA
4 POW
52 MIA
so at least 120 lost pilots
But they were also
1 interned in Turkey
2 "MIA" who returned later to the unit
49 WIA
3 WIFA
At least some of them were also probably "lost", at least never flew again.
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Old 10th October 2006, 12:58
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Re: JG 27, 52,53 and 77 pilot losses for 1943

H.Ring/W.Girbig – “Jagdgeschwader 27”, p. 339-362; JG 27 losses in 1943:

Stab/ JG 27

WIA – 1

I./ JG 27

KIA – 18, MIA – 1, WIA – 16 / total 35
including
Hpt. Heinrich Setz, Gruppenkommandeur, KIA 13.03.43 (138 vic)
Hpt. Erich Hohagen, Gruppenkommandeur, WIA 1.06.43
Oblt. Karl von Lieres und Wilkau, Staffelkapitän 3./ JG 27, KIA 11.06.43 (31 vic)
Hpt. Hans Remmer, Staffelkapitän 1./ JG 27, WIA 2.11.43

II./ JG 27

KIA – 23, MIA – 25 (+1 came back), POW – 2, WIA – 24 / total 74
incl.
Oblt. Rudolf Sinner, Staffelkapitän 6./ JG 27, WIA 24.03.43
Hpt. Ferdinand Vögl, Staffelkapitän 4./ JG 27, WIA 19.04.43
Hpt. Ernst Börngen, Staffelkapitän 5./ JG 27, WIA 16.07.43
Oblt. Hebert Schramm, Staffelkapitän 5./ JG 27, KIA 1.12.43 (43 vic)

III./ JG 27

KIA – 18, MIA – 7, POW – 1 (+1 came back), WIA – 11 / total 37
incl.
Oblt. Wolf Ettel, Staffelkapitän 8./ JG 27, KIA 17.07.43 (124 vic)
Oblt. Günther Hannack, Staffelkapitän 7./ JG 27, POW 5.03.43 (47 vic)

IV./ JG 27

KIA – 18, MIA – 9, POW – 1, WIA – 6 / total 34
incl.
Hpt. Joachim Kirschner, Gruppenkommandeur, KIA 17.12.43 (188 vic)


TOTAL losses of JG 27 in 1943:

KIA – 77, MIA – 42 (+1), POW – 4 (+1), WIA – 58 / 181 pilots

But this was only prelude – losses in 1944 were horrible...

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Old 11th October 2006, 09:41
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Re: JG 27, 52,53 and 77 pilot losses for 1943

JG-77 181 lost pilots versus 175 lost pilots of JG-52, very close figures.
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Re: JG 27, 52,53 and 77 pilot losses for 1943

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Originally Posted by Laurent Rizzotti
A list of the losses of JG 52 is available on the Net: http://www.denkmalprojekt.org/Verlus..._vl_chrono.htm

For 1943, JG 52 lost:
55 KIA
9 KIFA
4 POW
52 MIA
so at least 120 lost pilots
But they were also
1 interned in Turkey
2 "MIA" who returned later to the unit
49 WIA
3 WIFA
At least some of them were also probably "lost", at least never flew again.
And additionly 4 pilots from DRK Suchliste
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Old 11th October 2006, 16:41
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Re: JG 27, 52,53 and 77 pilot losses for 1943

Now even 179 vs. 181!
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Re: JG 27, 52,53 and 77 pilot losses for 1943

So just missing the JG53

Dead/wounded/vermisst

ST 1/4/-
I 26/32/40
II 22/34/19
III 25/46/15
IV -/-/6

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Re: JG 27, 52,53 and 77 pilot losses for 1943

Thanks a lot.

So it is: JG 27 181, JG 52 179, JG 53 270 (!).

More about JG 27:

I./ JG 27
02-08.43 Rechsverteidigung/Western – 26 pilots
09-12.43 Austria – 9 pilots

II./ JG 27
02-07.43 Mediterranean – 51 pilots
09-12.43 Reichverteidigung/Western – 23 pilots

III./ JG 27
04-12.43 Mediterranean/Grece/Italy – 37 pilots

IV./ JG 27
05-12.43 Mediterranean/Grece/Balkans – 34 pilots

II. Gruppe had twice bigger losses then others, specially when it was operating in Mediterranean area, which should be (in theory) easier.

Do you have info about losses of the other JGs in this year – Kanalgeschwadern or JG 3, 51, 54, 77 ?

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