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Old 10th January 2019, 08:44
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Re: German docs in TSAMO

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Hi Dénes,

It seems Lfl.4's order 11.9.42 about Romanian aviation with the list of units and their strength would be interesting for you:
http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/pages/862642/zooms/8
http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/pages/862643/zooms/8
http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/pages/862644/zooms/8

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Thanks Andrey! Valuable docs.
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Old 10th January 2019, 08:55
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Re: German docs in TSAMO

Dear all,

Can anybody tell me if any new Heeresgruppe Mitte Tagesmeldungen have been digitised in the German Russian Digitalisation project which contain Luftflotte 6 daily reports on the Nachtjagd employment in the first week of September 1943, and in the period of the second half of October 1943 till the end of 1943, and 1944? If so, in which file(s) can I find these?

Cheers and thanks, Theo
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Old 10th January 2019, 10:35
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Hi Dénes,
It seems Lfl.4's order 11.9.42 about Romanian aviation with the list of units and their strength would be interesting for you.
It certainly is of interest to me. Many thanks for pointing it out, Andrey!
Will have to check it against information coming from Rumanian archives.

If you will find anything related to the Rumanian, Hungarian, or Bulgarian aviation, please let me know.

Thanks, again.
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Old 10th January 2019, 10:51
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If you will find anything related to the Rumanian, Hungarian, or Bulgarian aviation, please let me know.
OK

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Will have to check it against information coming from Rumanian archives.
By the way, are Romanian archives available for the "man in the street"? And what is the name of archive with air force's and naval WW2 documents?

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Old 10th January 2019, 12:56
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Now, happy leeching and let me know what you find, good or bad so I know what I might have to correct...

Andreas
Thank you very much indeed, Andreas! This moment should become known as "the Great Germandocs Revolution"

I finally have some time today, so will download some files and will e-mail you if I find any problems among the files that I download.

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Old 10th January 2019, 13:02
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Following your efforts with interest Andreas!
Mikael,

You will be particularly interested in the following pages where problems with Do 17 operations are mentioned.

They come from the following document:

Akte 31. Unterlagen der Ia-Abteilung des Generalkommandos des I. Flakkorps: Anlagen zum KTB des Generalkommandos des I. Flakkorps, Band C – Lagemeldungen der Luftwaffengruppe Kaukasus, Feindlageberichte und Abschussmeldungen des Ic-Offiziers der Luftwaffengruppe u.a.

http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/d...inspect/zoom/8
http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/d...inspect/zoom/8
http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/d...inspect/zoom/8
http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/d...inspect/zoom/8
http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/d...inspect/zoom/8
http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/d...inspect/zoom/8

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Akte 2 contains nearly 600 daily reports to and from I. Flakkorps in S Russia giving details on every single VVS aircraft claimed
Larry,

Thank you for bringing this to everyone's attention. I would point out that the flak claims appear to be very inflated compared to true Soviet losses, so it will be difficult to match claims and losses in this case.

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Old 10th January 2019, 16:27
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Dan - Inflated, yes; grossly overstated, yes; absurd, yes; but these claims sure made the Flak crews feel reeeeal good!

L.
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Thanks Dan!
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Old 10th January 2019, 21:38
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Dan - Inflated, yes; grossly overstated, yes; absurd, yes; but these claims sure made the Flak crews feel reeeeal good!
Agreed, Larry They needed every help they could get to keep their spirits up when their command was sending museum pieces to reinforce the sector:

"6 PZL 11 (Rum.) Begleitschutz für Ju 87"

http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/d...inspect/zoom/8

"General Zander berichtet noch, dass die Nachtflugschule 3 von Wiener Neustadt unter Obstlt. Steinweg mit 40 Ju 86 nach der Kertsch-Halbinsel verlegt wird. 4 Maschinen sind bereits eingetroffen."

http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/d...inspect/zoom/8

This information builds on that provided by Andrey about Nachtfluglehrgang 3 in a thread last August:
http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?p=256473

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Thanks Dan!
You are welcome, Mikael!

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Old 11th January 2019, 02:06
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Re: German docs in TSAMO

Dan wrote in part:
"General Zander berichtet noch, dass die Nachtflugschule 3 von Wiener Neustadt unter Obstlt. Steinweg mit 40 Ju 86 nach der Kertsch-Halbinsel verlegt wird. 4 Maschinen sind bereits eingetroffen."


I've never seen even a hint that this transfer was ever carried out. I think we need some more information to corroborate this one.

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