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Old 8th March 2015, 09:30
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An another Me262 found in Germany in 1945 by "French army (?)

Bonjour,
Juts another photo showing a Me262 found in "Germany, 1945, by French army" says a hand writing ...
Have good researches ...
Philippe

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Old 8th March 2015, 15:10
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Re: An another Me262 found in Germany in 1945 by "French army (?)

Dear All,

The photo background is similar to the many photos taken east of Scheppach. Note the nose wheel is still on the Me 262, whereas in the more familiar photos the nose wheels have been removed. If this was taken by the French, then it would suggest that they got to Scheppach before the 63rd Infantry Division.

So, first off, are the people shown in the photo in French uniforms? Philippe, how about providing us with an image of your notes claiming the photo was taken by the French?

There are too many variables here to pin this down with what we have, but it is intriguing. Anyone care to join in in the discussion?

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Richard
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Old 8th March 2015, 16:09
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Re: An another Me262 found in Germany in 1945 by "French army (?)

It seems to me that the three soldiers on the photo wore American uniforms. However, the French army of the period received a substantial support from the US (Sherman tanks, P-47 aircraft, ... etc.) so I would not take the uniforms as the definitive proof that those three were Americans.
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Old 8th March 2015, 21:58
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Re: An another Me262 found in Germany in 1945 by "French army (?)

The height of the trees possibly indicates the "road" to the autobahn at Obertraubling.
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Old 9th March 2015, 03:27
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Re: An another Me262 found in Germany in 1945 by "French army (?)

Dear Dan,

I'm not quite sure what you are talking about. The meadow at Stauffen appears to have led to a rail line, presumably to transport the Me 262's to Obertraubling. According to Peter Schmoll, there was an Autobahn, too, that he claims was used to transport the Me 262's to the airfield, so I guess I'm not totally sure what the rail line was used for. Incidentally, Schmoll fails to show the rail line in his layout drawing.

All that said, I've never seen photos taken along this Autobahn identified as such showing Me 262's. Have you?

The low hanging wire was typical of some of the photos taken east of Scheppach. Thus, my conclusion as well as similarity to other photos taken along this Autobahn. Tree height also matches as well as the use of "log roads".

I'm always open to new input.

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Richard
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Old 9th March 2015, 04:11
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Re: An another Me262 found in Germany in 1945 by "French army (?)

The nose wheel is not there. Has the image changed since the first post?
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Old 9th March 2015, 04:38
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Re: An another Me262 found in Germany in 1945 by "French army (?)

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The nose wheel is not there. Has the image changed since the first post?
It is still there.
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Old 9th March 2015, 07:49
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Re: An another Me262 found in Germany in 1945 by "French army (?)

Hi Gents,

Think it's the right moment to remember you this last auction ended 8 of March:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Four-4-Origi...p2047675.l2557

We can see the cable Richard is talking about. We can see the highway too.
If it's not enough, you can refer to the other available 17 other photos (as far I Know) - Except the already known 112334 and 112344 - where we can see High and low trees; obviously taken alongside the highway, including the posts holding the cable(s)
On one of them you can see two machines ...

So which one is which one? There is no chance to get them.

I think two comments are interesting:
- Why "captured" by French army? We still are waiting Philippe answer.
- Why Dan suggestion? I think this is included in Philippe - or linked to - answer.

Best regards, Franck.

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Old 9th March 2015, 10:52
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Re: An another Me262 found in Germany in 1945 by "French army (?)

Gentlemen,

The log lying behind the aircraft helps to identify it in other pictures. I hope this fact is useful.

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Jim Geens
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Old 9th March 2015, 12:42
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Re: An another Me262 found in Germany in 1945 by "French army (?)

Dear All,

I think I was wrong in claiming the aircraft still had its nose wheel. I enhanced the photo a bit to take a better look. It now appears to me that, while the area is dark as if it was a tire, the nose wheel would really be centered under the oleo strut, which it is not. What I think we see instead is the offset nose wheel bracket. Again, why it is dark I don't know and that it is so is rather unusual.

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