Alfred Miksch' black 5, 13 and 20

[vinnie]

That does clear some things up! Re-looking at the pictures confirms that the camo is the same. Thank you for adding the pictures, Martin! This confirms Prien's thought that black 5 and black 20 were the same aircraft, i.e. Werk Nr. 15429. In the back of the last picture one can recognize black 10, Lt. Joachim Göhres G-6/R-6 (Werk Nr. 15458).
To summarize: From july till 8 October 1943 Miksch flew in black 5. His rudder shows about 38 victories, the number of kills he had at 18.7.1943. On 8 October 1943 he crashlanded, and after that day his plane was renumbered 'black 20'. When flying in his 'new' black 20, his rudder shows the same amount of victories, while at that time his total score was 42 victories? He then probably used black 20 until he crashed on the 3rd of November. After that, Me-109 G-6 black 13 became his plane.

[mdejong]

when you look closely I believe to see the same camo patternstyle on the left and right wing on "5" and "20".

Martin

[mdejong]

yes Vinnie....This picture is from an original "Der Adler" magazine.

To me this is very interesting material, as Alfred Miksch is my pilot

Martin

[mdejong]

[Jim P.]

That second version of the upper 7 o'clock view is much nicer. Thanks mdejong!

[mdejong]

here is the tail from black "20" - plane Alfred Miksch -

Martin


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[vinnie]

Originally Posted by mdejong

here is the tail from black "20" - plane Alfred Miksch -

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Wow, Martin, what a beautiful picture! Where did you get it from, if I may ask?

And does anyone have any thoughts regarding the Werknummer of the black 9 (or 19) in the background?

[mdejong]

somebody friendly person from airbase Volkel was very helpful to give me this picture....it is shown in magazine Luftwaffe im Focus no. 17.

Martin

[vinnie]

Cool! And thank you for sharing. The picture was taken at Leeuwarden airbase.

[John Beaman]

Earlier in this thread when listing loss records for these aircraft, I posted that Dr. Prien beleived that 20 had been repainted as 5. This was incorrect. They are not the same aircraft. This was due to a faulty translation.

It is possible that the rudder from 20 made its way onto 5.