JG 51 victories (Part 2)

[Nokose]

Okay, after looking into the event on the 10 Jul 1943 it looks like the scoring was "pretty good" for the JG 51 pilots after all. In Vitaliy Gorbach's book "Над Огнееой Днгой" he describes in the beginning of the paragraph that the 233 IAP had 8 Yak-7B but that was not the case. St. Lt. A.S. Vinogradov only had six. He said he observed eight Fw 190 come below the clouds and then go back into it. The 234 IAD sent 6 Yak-7B under Lt. V.S. Novikov to his aid. Vinogradov stated that a minute after the Fw 190 went into the clouds that 18 Fw 190 came out. It was probably more then a minute as Novikov's fighters were claiming and approaching. Then at 13:00 Hptm. Diethelm von Eichel-Streiber Stabsstaffel/JG 51 shot down a MiG-3 (20). This was followed by Obfw. Hans Pfahler 12./JG 51 with a MiG-3 (30, his last claim) and then Oblt. Karl-Heinz Weber 7/JG 51 with a MiG-1 (57). At this point all the fighting was at 2000-1600 meters. Apparently all of these were Yak-7B of the 233 IAP. Vinogradov claimed 2 Fw 190 in this fight as they fled to a lower altitude.
It was probably Lt Gerhard Beckh of Stab IV/JG 51 who first ran into the 133 IAP and damaged the Yak-7B of Lt. U.A. Mamin (Gorbach stated the plane was wrecked on arrival at the airfield). The last loss of 233 IAP was probably by Uffz. Rudi Meyer 9/JG 51 of a LaGG-3 (18) at 200 m. which would account for the last loss of that group. If you look at the PlQu. map his claim was at 35 Ost/53662 at 100 m. which is going west away from the battle area instead of east.
Lt. Novikov stated he couldn't find the 233 IAP which was probably correct as the last two were fleeing the area and the rest had gone down or were about to go down. Novikov had his on hands full by this point but with one Yak-7B leaving with damage there were only 5 left.
In Priens JFV 12/I it states Uffz. Oskar Romm 1./JG 51 has a La-5 (13) but as I pointed out in Tony Woods it is listed as a LaGG-3. It was probably the Yak-7B wingman of Mamin who was by himself at that point. The rest of the battle plays out with I/JG 54 accounting for the rest of the losses of 133 IAP. Lt. Gunther Scheel 2./JG 54 a LaGG-3 (56) 13:33 tiefstflug, ObFw. Otto Kittel 2./JG 54 LaGG-3 (66) 13:50 at 200 m., Uffz. Ludwig Uschmann 2./JG 54 14:04 LaGG-3 (5) at 500 m.
The Soviet pilots claimed 5 Fw 190 of which only Pfaher was lost I found that the other Fw 190 loss that day was probably to another Soviet pilot who watched the pilot parachute out.
Gorbach confirms that out of 12 Yak-7B that one was wrecked from damage and eight were lost. Matching the claims.
Two of my favorites to follow in this dogfight are Romm and Kittel which I've found that sometimes they filed reports (or someone filed for them in Kittel's place believing he was lost) which maybe were off by one or more but never overly so.

[Nokose]

13 Feb 1942 Rzhev region
7./JG 51 Uffz. Gottfried Gassen DB-3 (1) 25 km NW of Rzhev

15 km North of Rzhev
DB-3F 748 AP DD (1 AE commander) Kapt. Roman Markovich Orzhekhovskiy and crew (MIA) after being attacked by 4 Bf 109 according to Soviet records.

Gassen is not listed in "Kracker" but this is his only claim and he was KIA in a bomber attack on the Platz Dugino on the 03 Sep 1942.

[GMichalski]

hi,

many thanks for your info,

do you have more info of this question: "The rest of the battle plays out with I/JG 54 accounting for the rest of the losses of 133 IAP. Lt. Gunther Scheel 2./JG 54 a LaGG-3 (56) 13:33 tiefstflug, ObFw. Otto Kittel 2./JG 54 LaGG-3 (66) 13:50 at 200 m., Uffz. Ludwig Uschmann 2./JG 54 14:04 LaGG-3 (5) at 500 m. "

i´m very interested in Kittel claims....

regards

[Nokose]

Originally Posted by GMichalski

hi,

many thanks for your info,

do you have more info of this question: "The rest of the battle plays out with I/JG 54 accounting for the rest of the losses of 133 IAP. Lt. Gunther Scheel 2./JG 54 a LaGG-3 (56) 13:33 tiefstflug, ObFw. Otto Kittel 2./JG 54 LaGG-3 (66) 13:50 at 200 m., Uffz. Ludwig Uschmann 2./JG 54 14:04 LaGG-3 (5) at 500 m. "

i´m very interested in Kittel claims....

regards

It would be impossible to link the name of the Soviet pilot of the 133 IAP to Kittel's claim.

[Nokose]

16 Aug 1943 Bogodukhov (Kharkov Obl.) Reconn. Mission
Pe-2 50 ORAP unk pilot (The pilot observer was KIA)

Lt. Gerhard Mai 1./JG 51 Pe-2 (5) 06:21 NE Bogoduchow

[kirche]

04.08.1942
Ofw. Heinrich Klöpper Of 11./JG 51 Pe-2 - 47 833: at 1.500 m. 05.20
Possible it’s PE-2 130 BAP 204 BAD – j. l-t Lukonin Peter Ivanovich - l-t. Aliyev Abdul Magomedovich – the shooter is not known. Tried to land the burning plane in the area "Avan'kovo/Ivan'kovo", region Pogoreloye Gorodische (the pilot died in the crash, the Navigator jumped from a low height and was killed).

Ltn. Ralph Furch 5./JG 51 Pe-2 - 47 582: at 3.000 m. 06.53
Gefr. Götz Bergmann 5./JG 51 Pe-2 - 47 554: at 3.500 m. 06.55
Two PE-2 - 134 BAP 285 BAD in the area of Raducino at 8.00 fighters shot down 2 planes (5 parachutes):
- j. l-t Bakhtin (or Bikhtin) V. V. (alive) - l-t Krutogolovy Victor Sergeevich (DIED) - s-t Eremin (alive)
- s-t Pochtar' A. K. (alive) - s-t Rybakov, A. I. (alive) – s. s-t Drozdetsky A. K. (DIED)

Ofw. Georg Seidel 9./JG 51 MiG-1 - 47 823: tiefflug 08.50
Fw. Gerhard Beck 9./JG 51 MiG-1 - 47 822: tiefflug 08.53
Attack from above - then finished off one of the wounded!
Yak-7b 66 IAP 202 IAD – s-t Maidannyk Sergey Ivanovich, MIA
9:35-9:55, North-East of Zubtsov, at the altitude of 2000-2800 m attack from the clouds 2 Bf-109 on 4 Yak-7b (2 Yak-7b damaged). The second - j. l-t Popov A. I. (returned to the airfield - landing without landing gear, repairs).

Ofw. Wilhelm Mink 5./JG 51 Pe-2 - 47 612 at 2.000 m. 09.45
Possible it’s Pe-2 38 BAP 204 BAD – major Svinarev Mikhail Moiseevich (regiment commander) - captain Egorov Alexander Vasilievich (regiment navigator) – m. s-t Kuzmin Feodor Andrianovich, MIA

Fw. Siegfried Schwaneberg 8./JG 51 MiG-3 - 57 772 at 2.000 m. 11.15
Possible it’s Yak-1 91 IAP 234 IAD – s-t Sukharev Viktor Fedorovych, MIA, a cover 20A crossings on the river Derzha in the area Pogoreloye Gorodische; wounded (fighter) in the area of Ivanovskoye in his side with a reduction.

Ltn. Günther Rübell Stab II./JG 51 LaGG-3 - 47 552: at 2.000 m. 12.25
Yak-1 163 IAP, IAD 210, j. l-t Guriev Andrei Mikhailovich
13:15-14:35, battle Vydrino-Sestina 6 Yak-1 vs 4 Bf-109; Shot down, parachuted out; shot Bf-109 in the air 1.5 km North of Chentsovo (47 562)

Uffz. Kurt Knappe 5./JG 51 Pe-2 - 47 563: at 1.000 m. 14.25
Possible it’s Pe-2 2 BAP 204 BAD – j.l-t. Moscheev Sergey Yakovlevich (DIED) - j.l-t. Fedorov Nicolay Alexandrovich (KIA, alive) – s. s-t Torgashov Nicolay Vasilievich (DIED)), 15.00, in the area of Rzhev-Kokoshilovo fell Pe-2 (1 parachute).

Ofw. Heinrich Klöpper 11./JG 51 MiG-3 - 47 834 at 2.000 m. 15.25
Possible it’s Yak-1 91 IAP 234 IAD – s-t Kostin (or Gostev) Sergey Ermolayevich, MIA, area Pogoreloye Gorodische – Kur’kovo.

Ltn. Hans Boos Stab/JG 51 Pe-2 - 36 154 at 2.300 m. 17.00
Ofw. Georg Seidel 9./JG 51 Pe-2 - 36 324: at 2.500 m. 17.05
Uffz. Hubert Strassl 9./JG 51 Pe-2 - 36 122: at 2.500 m. 17.07
3* Pe-2 803 BAP 285 BAD - MIA:
- j. l-t Siroelov Myron Mironovich (flight com.) - s. L-t Klimko Andrei Kuzmich – s .s-t Nikitin Nicolay Ivanovich
- m. S-t Kramarenko Alexander Maximovich – l-t Voronkov Pavel Vasilievich – s-t Malevskiy Semen Dmitrievich
- m. S-t Gavrish Ivan Vasilievich – j.l-t Arslanov Talip Hayrulovich – s-t Alekseev Konstantin Pavlovich

Ltn. Benno Gantz 7./JG 51 MiG-3 - 47 833: at 1.500 m. 17.18
Ltn. Benno Gantz 7./JG 51 MiG-3 - 47 833: at 500 m. 17.21
Possible it’s Yak-1 20 IAP 234 IAD – S. L-t Ivanchey (returned to regiment) or L-t Opol’skiy Marceliy Grigorievich (MIA), area Pogoreloye Gorodische – Kur’kovo.

[Nick Hector]

Hi Kirche,

Uffz. Kurt Knappe 5./JG 51 Pe-2 - 47 563: at 1.000 m. 14.25
Possible it’s Pe-2 2 BAP 204 BAD – j.l-t. Moscheev Sergey Yakovlevich (DIED) - j.l-t. Fedorov Nicolay Alexandrovich (KIA, alive) – s. s-t Torgashov Nicolay Vasilievich (DIED)), 15.00, in the area of Rzhev-Kokoshilovo fell Pe-2 (1 parachute).

In the friendliest way possible...

....Please clarify the fate of Ml.Lt. Fedorov. He cannot be both!

[kirche]

Hi Nick,
I'm sorry, me error - Fedorov injuries.
there is a reward in 1945.
Kirill

[Nokose]

Okay, I don't believe I've posted this one (crossing my fingers).
30 Apr 1942 area of Ramushevo (Staraya Russa - Demyansk region)
Il-2 (# 1879701) 568 ShAP (deputy AE commander) Lt. Mikhail Petrovich Gavrilov (MIA)
Il-2 568 ShAP St. S-t. Kamali Sharafutdizhnovich Bagautdikov (MIA)

3./JG 51 Hptm. Heinrich Krafft Il-2 (.) 16:33
3./JG 51 Uffz. Wilhelm Theimann Il-2 (.) 16:33

On this one I wonder if Krafft and Theimann might have shot down Gavrilov but the Soviet source believes it was both. I did find a II./JG 54 claim 10 minutes before but all of them have no location so I'm going with the source. Gavrilov's remains and aircraft were found in 2010 by one of Kirche's fellow search teams from "Demyansk" in a cold swampy area.

[Nokose]

I found a 224 ShAD Report #78 for the 13 Sep 1942 for the attack on the Seshcha airfield. It involved six Il-2 from the 611 ShAP and eight Il-2 from the 639 ShAP. I tried to find the full names of the pilots but came across only some of the lost.

13 Sep 1942 16:58-19:15 (M)
Il-2 (#201) 611 ShAP St. Lt. Oleynichenko (would force land at the airfield at Mukovnino after the mission)
Il-2 (# 3021) 611 ShAP Denezhkin (Force land Mukovnino)
Il-2 (# 4021) 611 ShAP (Flight commander) Lt. Nikolay Vasil'evich Ivanov (MIA)
Il-2 (# 9005) 611ShAP Kayunin (Forced landed Mukovnino)

Il-2 (# 5306) 639 ShAP Mayor Krasotkin (MIA - Couldn't find out anything more about him)
Il-2 (# 30765) St. Lt. Gustov (Forced landed at Spas-Zagor'e)
Il-2 (# 2613) 639 ShAP S-t. Yurchenko (Forced landed at Slyadnevo A/F)
Il-2 (# 9108) 639 ShAP S-t. Evgeniy Grigor'evich Filippov (MIA)
Il-2 (# 30704) 639 ShAP Belov (Forced landed at Slyadnevo A/F; Also credited with shooting down a Bf 109 but no losses or damage to IV/JG 51)
Il-2 (# 3203) S-t. Leonid Evseevich Rappoport (MIA)

The 611 ShAP was attacked halfway between Basher and Zanoznaya station by Bf 109. Took AAA fire at the station which scattered them.
The 639 ShAP were attacked by Bf 109 in the area of Patsin - Snopot' by Bf 109.
Some of the Il-2 reached the target but I have no idea on any damage.

11./JG 51 Lt. Wolfgang Böwing-Treuding Il-2 (33) 17:24 45513
11./JG 51 Uffz. Ernst Strangenberg Il-2 (1) 17:30 4527
Stab IV/JG 51 Lt. Horst Haase Il-2 (13) 17:30 45331
12./JG 51 Uffz. Willi Hegner Il-2 (10) 17:35 45392
(Appears no over claims but no way to determine who shot down who. )