Do17 2/(F) 11 lost 11 Jul 1940

[Black6]

I see that BBCA Vol.1/p.29 notes "three crew missing" but no names.

I have 2 names for an aircraft of 2 Staffel (F) Fernaufklärungsgruppe 11 lost in the Portsmouth/Poole vicinity, does anybody have other crewmen ?

Fw. (FF) Erich Möckel (55556/22), born 1913 at Plauen, Vogtland, Missing
Gefr. (BF) Karl Oberschmidt, born 27 Feb 1920 at Altenbaindt Donau, Missing

thanks Peter

[Chris Goss]

The missing name is Uffz Max Waehner-B. BTW, my book on the Do 17 in the BofB which is about to go to the printers will have all Do 17 aircraft and crew casualties during the Battle

[Peter Cook]

Peter.

In addition to Chris's comment see:

Cull - 2017 – Battle for the Channel - p. 62
2.(F)/11 - Do17P - FTR Fw Erich Mackel (pilot), Uffz Max Wahner, Gfr Karl Oberschmidt killed; victim of 601 Sqn.

Peter

P.S. Looking forward to Chris's new book!

[Black6]

thanks Chris and Peter, that's another book I shall be adding to my shelf, have they indicated when we might expect to see it on sale Chris ?
thanks Peter

[Andy Mitchell]

Hi,

The following may also help with the context:-

RL7-2/555 has the following relating to 2.(F)/11 on this date:-

Einzelmeldung Nr 10 vom 11.7.40 (18.15 Uhr)

"1 Do 17 of the 2.(F)/11 (Start 05.55 hrs) to ascertain shipping in the Channel to and from harbours between Portsmouth and Portland. Attack on a steamer of 3 ~ 4000 t in a widely spaced convoy of 12 medium and small merchant vessels 20 km south of Swanage. Effect not observed."

Also

Einzelmeldung Nr 5 vom 12.7.40 (01.30Uhr)

"2 (F)/ 11 Do 17 (start 5.00 p.m.) To monitor shipping traffic in the Channel, south of a line between Portsmouth - Weymouth."
There follows a detailed report of observations.

Neither Einzelmeldung mentions either of these aircraft as being lost.

Additionally, Lagebericht Nt 310 (12.7.40 for 11.7.40) records, on page 8, the loss on 1 Do 17 amongst the 12 aircraft reported lost for that date at the time of the report.

[Chris Goss]

I have to read final PDF this week then off to printers. Will tell all when it is due out

[Black6]

Thank you Andy, that is very useful
Peter

[Peter Cook]

Andy,

This may relate to the 11 July loss, the Luftflotte 3 Einzelmeldung report no. 5 for July 13 includes an addendum listing a Do 17P of 2(F)/11 overdue from a reconnaissance flight over the channel.

Peter

[Andy Mitchell]

Spot on Peter - I did not check that far ahead (Doh!).