Glenn Martin 167 in French service 1939-1940

[Stig Jarlevik]

Thanks Alex

Against better judgement I have begun a compilation of all known facts I have regarding the French
Martin 167F (aka Martin 167-A3).

There are some quite good arrival lists, especially to Casablanca where most of them ended up.
The unit in charge E.A.A. 301 kept records up until the armistice (last recorded receipt was No 218)

At this stage does anyone know why aircraft No 2 - 13 were so late being accepted? EAA 301's all record
them in May/June 1940.

Also does anyone have any data for No 1?

With regard to French s/n vs Martin's c/n. Can anyone confirm that all the aircraft were painted up
in USA? At this stage I have assumed that they were and that the staff at Martin did the right thing
and painted them up in c/n order!

I will start with the RAF when I have finished this.

Cheers
Stig

[Alex Smart]

Hi Stig,
It is my thoughts that the aircraft were painted in the US but I expect that the serial numbers would have been painted on them after arrival and rebuild ( if they were all transported in boxes) in France.

All the very best,
Hope that you will update us with your findings at some later date.

Alex

[Faenor]

Hi Alex and Stig,

check this link:

http://avions-de-la-guerre-d-algerie.over-blog.com/

There are few pics of 167F in NFM with date 1939/1940.

Some of the wrecks:
http://modelari.org/viewtopic.php?t=208

Faenor

[Stig Jarlevik]

Thanks again Guys

Unfortunately it's difficult to ID any Martin's unless you have a very good photo.

The only pic of interest in Faenor's post is the one which shows a possible Matricule Militaire number
under the wings.
Maybe the Martins did take up the range U-101 to U-215 after all!

Cheers
Stig

[Alex Smart]

Hi Stig,
The photos shown in the links seem to me to show that the aircraft were delivered from the US in an unpainted state and the camouflage added when in Europe and/or Algeria.

Alex

[Stig Jarlevik]

It's possible Alex, but it also shows them to carry full French markings and possibly the MM number.

Cheers
Stig

[Alex Smart]

Hi, I overlooked one.
A Martin 167
RAF serial number DD825
Ex Vichy AIR Force, escaped to Gibraltar.
No evidence of further use.

Alex

[Alex Smart]

How about the '167's that were used by the French Navy, 50 or so as I understand it.
We're they a separate Contract order of the 167's or included in the numbers already given in this thread ?

[Alex Smart]

My thoughts on Production.

Glenn 167 (Maryland I).
French
115
100 ( 25 to France, 75 to Britain).
130
Total 345.
France
270
Britain
75

Maryland II
Britain
150
Total 150

Total production
345 + 150 =495

[Stig Jarlevik]

Alex
We know exactly how many Martin 167s that were built

c/n 876 (1)
c/n 879 - 1093 (215)
c/n 1096 - 1225 (130)
c/n 1827 - 1976 (150)

Total 496 (so very close)

Cheers
Stig