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Do17 2/(F) 11 lost 11 Jul 1940
I see that BBCA Vol.1/p.29 notes "three crew missing" but no names.
I have 2 names for an aircraft of 2 Staffel (F) Fernaufklärungsgruppe 11 lost in the Portsmouth/Poole vicinity, does anybody have other crewmen ? Fw. (FF) Erich Möckel (55556/22), born 1913 at Plauen, Vogtland, Missing Gefr. (BF) Karl Oberschmidt, born 27 Feb 1920 at Altenbaindt Donau, Missing thanks Peter |
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Re: Do17 2/(F) 11 lost 11 Jul 1940
The missing name is Uffz Max Waehner-B. BTW, my book on the Do 17 in the BofB which is about to go to the printers will have all Do 17 aircraft and crew casualties during the Battle
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Re: Do17 2/(F) 11 lost 11 Jul 1940
Peter.
In addition to Chris's comment see: Cull - 2017 – Battle for the Channel - p. 62 2.(F)/11 - Do17P - FTR Fw Erich Mackel (pilot), Uffz Max Wahner, Gfr Karl Oberschmidt killed; victim of 601 Sqn. Peter P.S. Looking forward to Chris's new book! |
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Re: Do17 2/(F) 11 lost 11 Jul 1940
thanks Chris and Peter, that's another book I shall be adding to my shelf, have they indicated when we might expect to see it on sale Chris ?
thanks Peter |
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Re: Do17 2/(F) 11 lost 11 Jul 1940
Hi,
The following may also help with the context:- RL7-2/555 has the following relating to 2.(F)/11 on this date:- Einzelmeldung Nr 10 vom 11.7.40 (18.15 Uhr) "1 Do 17 of the 2.(F)/11 (Start 05.55 hrs) to ascertain shipping in the Channel to and from harbours between Portsmouth and Portland. Attack on a steamer of 3 ~ 4000 t in a widely spaced convoy of 12 medium and small merchant vessels 20 km south of Swanage. Effect not observed." Also Einzelmeldung Nr 5 vom 12.7.40 (01.30Uhr) "2 (F)/ 11 Do 17 (start 5.00 p.m.) To monitor shipping traffic in the Channel, south of a line between Portsmouth - Weymouth." There follows a detailed report of observations. Neither Einzelmeldung mentions either of these aircraft as being lost. Additionally, Lagebericht Nt 310 (12.7.40 for 11.7.40) records, on page 8, the loss on 1 Do 17 amongst the 12 aircraft reported lost for that date at the time of the report.
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Re: Do17 2/(F) 11 lost 11 Jul 1940
I have to read final PDF this week then off to printers. Will tell all when it is due out
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Re: Do17 2/(F) 11 lost 11 Jul 1940
Thank you Andy, that is very useful
Peter |
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Re: Do17 2/(F) 11 lost 11 Jul 1940
Andy,
This may relate to the 11 July loss, the Luftflotte 3 Einzelmeldung report no. 5 for July 13 includes an addendum listing a Do 17P of 2(F)/11 overdue from a reconnaissance flight over the channel. Peter |
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Re: Do17 2/(F) 11 lost 11 Jul 1940
Spot on Peter - I did not check that far ahead (Doh!).
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