Russian pieces: Battle of France 1940?

[arnaud]

Here is two CCCP pieces found on Ardenne front not in 1944 but in 1940...

If anyone has an explication... You welcome...

[Larry]

How do you know the aircraft crashed in 1940 and not at a later date?

Do you have eye witness accounts?

Do have any idea of the type of aircraft it was?

[arnaud]

Hi Larry,

Those pieces were found by one friend in the middle of a terrible 1940 battlefield: Stonne. It could be aircraft pieces or vehicule pieces.

I just need help from our russian friends...

I am lost and I'd like an answer to this mystery. Of course I am hopeless, this is just a bottle in the sea...

Bon courage

Arnaud

[RSwank]

The answer "may" be in the rather murky German re-armament undertaken in the 1920s and 1930s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_re-armament

The link mentions:

"The Germans manufactured tanks, shells, aircraft, and even poisonous gas in the Soviet towns of Lipetsk, Saratov, Kazan, and Tula."

[Larry]

The trouble is that there is no evidence that the weapons developed and used by the Germans in secret inside Russia were produced by Russian firms with Russian data plates.

The only way I can surmise that Soviet built equipment was in France in 1940 was that it was something captured by the Germans during the Spanish Civil War or some of the equipment the Spanish Republicans moved over the border such as the Spanish built BA-6 type armoured cars that the Germans later discovered in France in 1940, which they later used on the Eastern Front.

Soviet equipment acquired when the Russians and Nazis divided up Poland in 1939 is also another possibility.

Armies have a habit of keeping useful equipment and the Germans were well known for using 'beute'. However I doubt the Luftwaffe would have used any Soviet built aircraft in front line fighting in 1940. This suggests to me that the bits are from a vehicle not an aircraft.

The data plate in the photo is hard to read. One bit reads as IL-67 and another P-107. A Unic P-107 was a French halftrack.

[arnaud]

Hello,
Does anyone know any russian website specialised in identifying that kind of military pieces?
Bye

[arnaud]

I have forgotten to include some pictures...