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Oblt.Klaus Lohe 9/KG4 LOST 7.10.43
Hi could anybody be kind enough to help with the loss details for Oblt.Klaus Lohe 9/KG4 and crew who failed to return from ops 7.10.43.
Best regs, Steve. |
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Re: Oblt.Klaus Lohe 9/KG4 LOST 7.10.43
1943-10-07, 9./KG 4, He 111 H-16, 161292, 5J+RT, Jeserischtschi
Flugzeugführer Olt Lohe, Klaus, verletzt Beobachter Ogfr Boddenberg, Horst, + Bordfunker Uffz Feucht, Karl, vermißt Bordschütze Ogfr Matzko, Emil, vermißt Bordschütze Uffz Ritter, Kurt, verletzt Absturz nach Luftkampf und Aufschlagbrand. Bruch 100 %. Matti |
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Re: Oblt.Klaus Lohe 9/KG4 LOST 7.10.43
Hi Matti, thanks ever so much for this information.
Had drawn a blank looking at other sources, so much appreciated. Kindest regs, Steve. |
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Re: Oblt.Klaus Lohe 9/KG4 LOST 7.10.43
Steve, thank you for asking the question, and Matti, thank you as always for being willing to share your excellent information. I can add that this aircraft was probably involved in the fighting around Nevel, Pskov Oblast, Russia. This town was recaptured by the Red Army the day before, 6 October 1943.
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Re: Oblt.Klaus Lohe 9/KG4 LOST 7.10.43
All efforts to locate "Jeserischtschi" came up empty. The English translation of the transliteration from Russian to German would be "Yeserishchi", Google and Google Earth failed to come up with anything, at least that I could find in a brief search.
Dan H. could well be right regarding Nevel. According to Karl Gundelach's unit history of KG 4 and other sources, III./KG 4 during this period: Quote:
Ulla would be a perfect airfield for aircraft flying missions in the Nevel area. Some Flugbücher from 9. Staffel aircrew could certainly help clear this up. L. |
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Re: Oblt.Klaus Lohe 9/KG4 LOST 7.10.43
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The location is Jeziaryšča or Aziaryšča in modern English transliteration, much easier to find when starting to search from the wartime Cyrillic name, Езерище See "Geschwaderkennung TC ?" thread on Forum der Wehrmacht for another loss in this area, this one of KG 53. https://www.forum-der-wehrmacht.de/i...derkennung-tc/ Jeziaryšča is 20 kilometres south of Nevel, just across the modern border between Russia and Belarus. Ułła or Ula is a settlement at the confluence of the eponymous river and the Daugava, 100 kilometres south-southwest of Nevel. Rudnya is 240 kilometres south-southeast of Nevel. Soviet armies were attempting to break into Belarus from Nevel and Rudnya simultaneously. An enormous static battle ensued over the course of many months, similar to Verdun or the Somme, with Soviet forces suffering catastrophic losses. Only Operation Bagration in late June 1944 changed the situation in this theatre. Regards, Dan
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Re: Oblt.Klaus Lohe 9/KG4 LOST 7.10.43
Thanks, Dan! I knew you would get to the bottom of this if given a few minutes. I'm at a big disadvantage when it comes to the Russian language. How the Germans managed to come up with Jeserischtschi out of Jeziaryšča beats me, unless some letters got changed along the way somewhere, especially the "J", which the Germans almost always render as a "Y", and the final letter, "i" instead of "a". The Cyrillic "sh" into The German "sch" and "ch" into "tsch" are standard, of course. The Deutsche Heereskarte, Osteuropa 1:300,000, Blatt Nr. V 56 Witebsk, Stand: 15 Nov. 1943, clearly shows the village with the spelling "Jeserischtschi". But it would have been difficult to find without your help, Dan!
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Re: Oblt.Klaus Lohe 9/KG4 LOST 7.10.43
Larry,
Being Eastern European myself, I am usually surprised at the change of spelling and pronunciation of a place when the Germans do it. All of those accent marks need to be accounted for and they sometimes are or are not. My 2 cents, Ed |
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Re: Oblt.Klaus Lohe 9/KG4 LOST 7.10.43
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During the war, the Germans were largely working from Russian-language maps, and they would often render the Cyrillic letter 'е' at the beginning of the word as 'Je' in German. Examples are Егорьевск - Jegorjewsk and Ейск - Jejsk or Jeisk. So far, fairly simple. The problem with Jeserischtschi and many other places in Belarus and Ukraine is that there are alternate Cyrillic spellings. The Russian one is Езерище, the Belarusian one is Езярышча. It appears that the Germans combined the two Cyrillic versions to get Езеришче. That would give Jeserischtsche, with the standard romanisations of "ш" as "sch" and "ч" as "tsch", as you described. As the following text describing the German defensive operations in 1943 shows, Jeserischtsche was the preferred Heer spelling of this locality: Quote:
Regards, Dan
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Re: Oblt.Klaus Lohe 9/KG4 LOST 7.10.43
Here are some Luftwaffe reconnaissance images of Jeserischtsche / Jeziaryšča:
http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targ...%20%20014.html http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targ...%20%20015.html Regards, Dan
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