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Old 20th February 2008, 11:00
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Re: Luftwaffe Escape and Evasion

Can this thread be closed; we have strayed away from Brian's initial question?
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Old 20th February 2008, 15:11
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Re: Luftwaffe Escape and Evasion

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A book of Szymon Datner entitled Zbrodnie Wehrmachtu na jeńcach wojennych w II wojnie światowej (Wehrmacht crimes against PoWs during WWII), Warsaw 1961, deals with the problem. It is in Polish but I cannot exclude there was a German edition in GDR. It testifies that eg. lynches on Allied airmen were inspired by highest levels.

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It is not that easy. Allies were interested in German PoWs even if only as a source of information. Also, any such events could lead to repercussions against Allied PoWs held captive in Germany. Otherwise it is nonsense. What for to bother with a desk, if everyone was to be shot? It is illogical to say the least. And if there was a desk, there should be a paperwork, but there is none. And bodies cannot disappear, but there is no evidence of their existence. Here is the key to the problem.

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This perfectly recalls the case of German paratroopers murdered at Monte Cassino described by Der Spiegel in 1980. The problem was that those paratroopers reappeared to testify they were not murdered and that they were well treated.
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Re: Luftwaffe Escape and Evasion

Thank you Franek

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Re: Luftwaffe Escape and Evasion

The answer of Franek is quite interesting, nd as in the Forum all the guys are trully smart people, we received them well

But really is a book published in Poland concerning germany, at a time where Poland was fast directly governed by the soviets or their men in , a reference ???

We would maybe prefer some document, with stamps nd so and ordering to murder the prisoners, as a matter of comparison we could start with the french campaign, is there any difference in the matter both sides treated the prisoners ?? there is a bad story at Le Paradis, but really a will at work to decimate the prisoners ???

We are all agreed in the fact that the germans are more aggressiv at that time...

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Old 20th February 2008, 19:21
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It is not that easy. Allies were interested in German PoWs even if only as a source of information. Also, any such events could lead to repercussions against Allied PoWs held captive in Germany. Otherwise it is nonsense. What for to bother with a desk, if everyone was to be shot? It is illogical to say the least. And if there was a desk, there should be a paperwork, but there is none. And bodies cannot disappear, but there is no evidence of their existence. Here is the key to the problem.
Canadian soldiers saw these outrages happen, and were told by their officiers to ignore it. Like it or not that's what happened. Simply one little episode in a multi-million casualty war. You weren't there, but my friend and his buddies were, and saw it happen. What happens to bodies? Anything the winner wants to have happen to them.
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Re: Luftwaffe Escape and Evasion

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There is no reason to put in doubt Datner's research in this respect. It was a neutral subject at the time. The first executions happened in Poland in 1939, the most well known being massacre of Polish PoWs at Ciepielów. The question is if thise were soldiers' initiative or inspired by higher command. It is worth to note that most of the crimes were committed by Wehrmacht and not Waffen SS, which palyed minor role in the campaign.

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My uncle was there, 11th assault engineering coy, but I cannot ask him anymore. This is not the point. The point is that there must be some evidence, as there is in multiple cases of other such incidents. As yet in this case we do not even have reputed time and place, not to mention any evidence.
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Re: Luftwaffe Escape and Evasion

Escape and evasion, not execution...

I concur with Chris Goss.
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I also concur with the idea that this thread has outlived its usefulness.
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