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Old 3rd February 2022, 11:37
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Cherbourg,15 and 16 /04/42

Hello
15/04/1942
Circus against Cherbourg:3 spitfires lost (around 15h/16h)according my sources.

Flt/Lt D.Mileham 234°Sq,spit AB 987
P/O M.Simon 234°Sq spit ? ?

I miss the 3rd.

16/04/1942
Ramrod Cherbourg by 10 Group
P/O Bland 234°Sq (around 15h/16h ?) spit ? ?
P/O Woolass (17h00) 234°Sq spit AR 374

Others losses? my sources seem to indicate 3?

8 spitfires lost that day:
2 Ramrod Le Havre
3 Rodeo Calais

Thank you if you an complete and correct
Michel
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Old 3rd February 2022, 12:04
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Re: Cherbourg,15 and 16 /04/42

According to Foreman, losses for the whole day were:


15 Apr: 2 Spits 234 Sqn plus one from 222 Sqn, Cat E 485 & 616 Sqn
16 Apr: 2 Spits 234 Sqn, Cat E 91 and 121 Sqn, Hurricane 175 Sqn
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Re: Cherbourg,15 and 16 /04/42

15. April 1942
RAF 11 Group: Circus 124
Airfield DESVRES
14.05 rv: 8 Hurricane IIb/c
Escort Wing: Biggin Hill
RAF 11 Gp. 72 Sqn. 12 Spitfire Vb 13.45 15.17 Circus 124 0 1 3 FW 190 No casualty F-BS: Desvres


Claim 15.04.42 S/Ldr. C.B.F. Kingcombe 72 Sqn. 0 - 0 - 1 FW 190 14.30: Boulogne 20000 ft.
Claim 15.04.42 P/O B.O. Parker rcaf 72 Sqn. 0 - 1 - 0 FW 190 14.35: 6 sm. S.E. Boulogne 14500 ft.
Claim 15.04.42 P/O B.O. Parker rcaf 72 Sqn. 0 - 0 - 1 FW 190 14.35: 6 sm. S.E. Boulogne 14500 ft.
Claim 15.04.42 Pilot 72 Sqn. 0 - 0 - 1 FW 190 14.35 ca: S.E. Boulogne


Escort-Cover Wing: Digby
RAF 12 Gp. 616 Sqn. 11 Spitfire Vb 13.50 15.25 Circus 124 0 0 1 FW 190 No casualty F-BS: Desvres


Claim 15.04.42 Pilot 12 Group 616 Sqn. 0 - 0 - 1 FW 190 Le Touquet


RAF 12 Gp. 411 Sqn. 12 Spitfire Vb 13.50 15.25 Circus 124 0 1 1 FW 190 No casualty F-BS: Desvres
0 0 1 Me 109F


Claim 15.04.42 Pilot 12 Group 411 Sqn. 0 - 0 - 1 FW 190 Le Touquet
Claim 15.04.42 Pilot 12 Group 411 Sqn. 0 - 1 - 0 FW 190 Le Touquet
Claim 15.04.42 Pilot 12 Group 411 Sqn. 0 - 0 - 1 Me 109F Le Touquet


Target-Support A Wing: Kenley
RAF 11 Gp. 602 Sqn. 12 Spitfire Vb 14.00 15.40 Circus 124 0 1 1 FW 190 No casualty F-BS: Desvres


Claim 15.04.42 P/O A.W. Charlesworth 11 Group 602 Sqn. 0 - 1 - 0 FW 190 15.00: 8 sm. S.W. Cap Gris Nez 1500 ft.
Claim 15.04.42 P/O A.W. Charlesworth 11 Group 602 Sqn. 0 - 0 - 1 FW 190 15.15: 10 sm. S. Dungeness 0 ft.


Summary for Circus 124 at 14.05 RV on 15th April 1942 Airfield Desvres. Fighters taking part: 13 squadrons, 210 sorties, 1-3-7 claimed for no loss. Bombers taking part: 8 Hurricanes of RAF 11 Group. Ref: RAF/FC Summary of Sorties (Air 16/1307)


RAF 2 Group: Circus 1
Dock-yards CHERBOURG
16.00 rv: 9 Boston III
Escort Wing: Ibsley
RAF 10 Gp. 234 Sqn. 12 Spitfire Vc 15.57 17.05 Circus 1 0 - 0 - 0 n/a 2 Cat.Em Fighters L-BS: Cherbourg


Cat.Em 15.04.42 F/Lt. D.E. Mileham: kia 10 Group 234 Sqn. Spitfire Vb: AB987 Me 109s: Cherbourg
Cat.Em 15.04.42 P/O M.L. Simon: kia 10 Group 234 Sqn. Spitfire Vb: W3967 Me 109s: Cherbourg


Summary for Circus 1 at 16.00 RV on 15th April 1942 Dock-yards Cherbourg. Fighters taking part: 4 squadrons, 48 sorties, none claimed for 2 lost. Bombers taking part: 9 Bostons of RAF 2 Group. Ref: RAF/FC Summary of Sorties (Air 16/1307)


RAF 11 Group: Circus 125
Airfield CALAIS/MARCK
18.35: 8 Hurricane IIb/c
High-Cover Wing: North Weald
RAF 11 Gp. 121 Sqn. 11 Spitfire Vb 18.05 18.50 Circus 125 2 0 1 FW 190 No casualty F-BS: Calais


Claim 15.04.42 P/O J.A. Skinner 11 Group 121 Sqn. 1 - 0 - 0 FW 190 19.15: N. Calais
Claim 15.04.42 P/O S.R. Edner 11 Group 121 Sqn. 1 - 0 - 0 FW 190 19.10: St. Omer
Claim 15.04.42 F/Lt. Allen 11 Group 121 Sqn. 0 - 0 - 1 FW 190 19.15: N. Calais


RAF 11 Gp. 222 Sqn. 12 Spitfire Vb 18.05 18.55 Circus 125 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 Cat.Em Fighters F-BS: Calais


Cat.Em 15.04.42 Adj. P. Mathmillion ffaf: asr/Died 11 Group 222 Sqn. Spitfire Vb: BL478 FW 190s: off Calais


RAF 11 Gp. 403 Sqn. 12 Spitfire Vb 18.05 19.50 Circus 125 0 1 0 FW 190 No casualty F-BS: Calais


Claim 15.04.42 Pilot 11 Group 403 Sqn. 0 - 1 - 0 FW 190 Sea: N. Calais


Summary for Circus 125 at 18.35 RV on 15th April 1942 Airfield Calais/Marck. Fighters taking part: 14 squadrons, 162 sorties, 2-1-1 claimed for 1 lost. Bombers taking part: 8 Hurricanes of RAF 11 Group. Target not located: rail-lines attacked near Graveliones. Ref: RAF/FC Summary of Sorties (Air 16/1307)


Night 15-16. April 1942
RAF 13 Group: Night-Interceptions


RAF 13 Gp. 141 Sqn. 1 Beaufighter If 23.00 01.12 Interception 0 0 1 Do 217 No casualty off Hartlepool (AI)


Claim 15.04.42 Pilot 13 Group 141 Sqn. 0 - 0 - 1 Do 217 23.50 ca: off Hartlepool
Claim 15.04.42 Radio Observer 13 Group 141 Sqn.


RAF 13 Gp. 141 Sqn. 1 Beaufighter If 22.05 00.35 Interception 0 0 1 He 111 No casualty near Blythe (AI)


Claim 15.04.42 Pilot 13 Group 141 Sqn. 0 - 0 - 1 He 111 23.10 ca: near Blythe
Claim 15.04.42 Radio Observer 13 Group 141 Sqn.


16. April 1942
RAF 11 Group: Circus 126
Rail-yards DUNKIRK
07.00 rv: 7 Hurricane IIb/c
High-Cover Wing: Kenley
RAF 11 Gp. 602 Sqn. 12 Spitfire Vb 06.40 08.25 Circus 126 0 - 0 - 1 FW 190 No casualty L-BS: Dunkirk


Claim 16.04.42 Pilot 11 Group 602 Sqn. 0 - 0 - 1 FW 190 07.40 ca: Dunkirk 25000 ft.


RAF 11 Gp. 457 Sqn. 12 Spitfire Vb 06.40 08.25 Circus 126 0 - 1 - 0 FW 190 No casualty L-BS: Dunkirk


Claim 16.04.42 F/Lt. H.L. North 11 Group 457 Sqn. 0 - 1 - 0 FW 190 07.40 ca: Dunkirk


Summary for Circus 126 at 07.00 RV on 16th April 1942 Rail-yards Dunkirk. Fighters taking part: 9 squadrons, 109 sorties, 0-2-0 claimed for no loss. Bombers taking part: 7 Hurricanes of RAF 11 Group: dropped 14 x 250-lb. GP bombs. Ref: RAF/FC Summary of Sorties (Air 16/1307)


RAF 14 Group: (Jim Crow) Shipping-Recco.


RAF 11 Gp. 91 Sqn. 1 Spitfire Vc 08.19 09.35 Ship Recco 0 - 0 - 0 n/a 1 Cat.B E-boat Flak off Dunkirk


Cat.B 16.04.42 P/O W.B. Orr: ok 11 Group 91 Sqn. Spitfire Vb: AA845 DL-K E-Boat Flak: off Dunkirk


16. April 1942
RAF 2 Group: Ramrod 20
Dock-yards LE HAVRE
11.00 rv: 12 Boston III
Escort-Cover Wing: Exeter
RAF 10 Gp. 308 Sqn. 11 Spitfire Vb 10.50 12.30 Ramrod 20 1 - 0 - 0 Me 109F No casualty L-BS: Le Havre


Claim 16.04.42 Pilot 10 Group 308 Sqn. 1 - 0 - 0 Me 109F 11.40 ca: off Le Havre


RAF 10 Gp. 306 Sqn. 10 Spitfire Vb 10.52 12.30 Ramrod 20 2 - 0 - 0 Me 109E No casualty L-BS: Le Havre


Claim 16.04.42 F/O Grzegorz Sollogub 10 Group 306 Sqn. 1 - 0 - 0 Me 109E 11.30 ca: 2-3 sm. N. Cabourg
Claim 16.04.42 F/O Grzegorz Sollogub 10 Group 306 Sqn. 1 - 0 - 0 Me 109E 11.30 ca: 2-3 sm. N. Cabourg


RAF 11 Gp. 303 Sqn. 9 Spitfire Vb 10.50 12.35 Ramrod 20 1 - 0 - 0 Me 109E No casualty L-BS: Le Havre


Claim 16.04.42 P/O E. Horbaczewski 11 Group 303 Sqn. 1 - 0 - 0 Me 109E 11.50 ca: 5-6 sm. S.W. Le Havre


High-Cover Wing: Tangmere
RAF 11 Gp. Hugo 1 Spitfire Vb 10.53 12.20 Ramrod 20 0 - 0 - 1 Me 109F No casualty L-BS: Le Havre


Claim 16.04.42 W/Cdr. P.H. Hugo 11 Group Tangmere 0 - 0 - 1 Me 109F 11.55: off Le Havre


Summary for Ramrod 20 at 11.00 RV on 16th April 1942 Bassin Vaubin Le Havre. Fighters taking part: 9 squadrons, 103 sorties, 4-0-1 claimed for no loss. Bombers taking part: 12 Bostons of RAF 2 Group. Ref: RAF/FC Summary of Sorties (Air 16/1307)


RAF 10 & 11 Group: Fighter-Sweep (Rodeo)


RAF 11 Gp. 71 Sqn. 12 Spitfire Vb 13.09 15.05 Rodeo "A" 0 - 0 - 1 FW 190 No casualty Le Touquet-Mardyck


Claim 16.04.42 Pilot 11 Group 71 Sqn. 0 - 0 - 1 FW 190 14.30 ca: off Le Touquet


RAF 11 Gp. 317 Sqn. 11 Spitfire Vb 17.29 19.08 Rodeo "B" 0 - 1 - 0 FW 190 No casualty Le Touquet-Mardyck


Claim 16.04.42 Pilot 11 Group 317 Sqn. 0 - 1 - 0 FW 190 18.40 ca: Marquise


RAF 11 Gp. 129 Sqn. 12 Spitfire Vb 17.38 19.15 Rodeo "B" 0 - 0 - 0 n/a 1 Cat.E Fighters Le Touquet-Mardyck


Cat.E 16.04.42 Sgt. Barker raaf: wia 11 Group 129 Sqn. Spitfire Vb: DV- Crash-landed: Deal


RAF 10 Gp. 308 Sqn. 11 Spitfire Vb 17.45 19.20 Rodeo "B" 0 - 0 - 0 n/a 1 Cat.B Coolant-leak near Tunbridge Wells


Cat.B 16.04.42 Sgt. Warchel: inj 10 Group 308 Sqn. Spitfire Vb: AB790 Mech: down Tunbridge Wells


RAF 10 Group: Ramrod 10
Airfield MAUPERTUS
15.01 rv: 6/175 Sqn. Hurricane IIb/c
Fighter-Bomber: Warmwell
RAF 10 Gp. 175 Sqn. 6 Hurricane IIb 14.53 16.15 Ramrod 10 0 - 0 - 0 n/a 1 Cat.Em Mech. F-BS: Maupertus


Cat.Em 16.04.42 F/Sgt. B.W. Forman rcaf: kia 10 Group 175 Sqn. Hurricane IIb: BE485 Mech: St.Albans Head


Escort Wing: Ibsley
RAF 10 Gp. 234 Sqn. 12 Spitfire Vb 14.45 16.20 Ramrod 10 0 - 0 - 0 n/a 1 Cat.Em Fighters F-BS: Maupertus


Cat.Em 16.04.42 P/O G.R. Bland: kia 10 Group 234 Sqn. Spitfire Vb: BL889 FW 190s: Rauville


Summary for Ramrod 10 at 15.01 RV on 16th April 1942 Airfield Cherbourg/Maupertus. Fighters taking part: 3 squadrons, 35 sorties, none claimed for 1 lost. Bombers taking part: 6 Hurricanes of RAF 11 Group: 1 lost: 12 x 250-lb. GP bombs. Ref: RAF/FC Summary of Sorties (Air 16/1307)


RAF 10 Group: ASR-Escorts


RAF 10 Gp. 234 Sqn. 6 Spitfire Vb 17.15 18.55 ASR-Escort 0 - 0 - 0 n/a 1 Cat.Em Fighters ASR Channel


Cat.Em 16.04.42 P/O R.S. Woolas: kia 10 Group 234 Sqn. Spitfire Vb: AR374 Me 109s 17.10 hrs: off Cherbourg


RAF 10 Gp. 118 Sqn. 12 Spitfire Vb 18.40 20.10 ASR-Escort 0 - 0 - 0 n/a 1 Cat.B Fighters ASR Channel


Cat.B 16.04.42 Sgt. Costello: wia 10 Group 118 Sqn. Spitfire Vb: AB846 FW 190s off St. Albans Head
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Re: Cherbourg,15 and 16 /04/42

From the set-up and content, I bet udf_00' source is the 1942 Fighter Command activity file compiled by Tony Wood.
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Re: Cherbourg,15 and 16 /04/42

Great,that's what I have looking for

Thank you (of Colombes:Laurent,nous sommes presque voisin)
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Re: Cherbourg,15 and 16 /04/42

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Originally Posted by Laurent Rizzotti View Post
From the set-up and content, I bet udf_00' source is the 1942 Fighter Command activity file compiled by Tony Wood.

Yep! Found where it came from : https://web.archive.org/web/20130928...s/tonywood.htm
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Angry Re: Cherbourg,15 and 16 /04/42

I know t.wood,but J have a problem,my anti virus software blocks the opening of files wich are not in PDF!!!

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Re: Cherbourg,15 and 16 /04/42

I raised this matter a few years back where I thought the Woods lists missed out some details about 485 Sqn and the Kenley Wing on 16 April 1942.

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showth...hlight=compton
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