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Old 24th July 2005, 11:09
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Unhappy TA-152 in JG 301 ?

Hi everybody, i'm a new guy here but an old time luftwaffe fan. Here's my question. I've been told the JG 301 was the only combat unit to receive the TA-152 H. I've also been told the III/ JG 301 was supposed to receive these birds but they went to the stab/ JG 301.
So did the other gruppen receive these planes ?
would the planes from the stab wear green numbers?
if such is the case, were they any "yellow #" and wich group did they belong to ?
I assume the old rule was still used ... 1-4-7 : white;2-5-8 : red (or blue) ; 3-6-9 : yellow ... etc
lots of questions uh ?
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Old 24th July 2005, 12:20
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Re: TA-152 in JG 301 ?

Hi,

III./JG301 did receive 152Hs. It received its first Hs (11) on Jan 27 1945 which they picked up at Cottbus. They flew their first mission on March 2 with no enemy contact, though they had to fend of attacks by 109s. When it was seen that III./JG301 was not going to reach its authorized strength of 35 a/c they were ordered to had over their a/c to Stab 301 and re-equiped with 190A-9s (March 13).

The Stab a/c had green numbers.

info from Harmann's Ta 152 book.
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Re: TA-152 in JG 301 ?

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III./JG301 did receive 152Hs. It received its first Hs (11) on Jan 27 1945 which they picked up at Cottbus. They flew their first mission on March 2 with no enemy contact, though they had to fend of attacks by 109s. When it was seen that III./JG301 was not going to reach its authorized strength of 35 a/c they were ordered to had over their a/c to Stab 301 and re-equiped with 190A-9s (March 13).

The Stab a/c had green numbers.

info from Harmann's Ta 152 book.
well ... can you tell me which group actually flew them ?
only III ?
then wich staffel ?
here's a pic ... would you say it's "yellow one" or "green one" ?

ta 152 h
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Old 24th July 2005, 17:35
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Re: TA-152 in JG 301 ?

Why do you ask which, III or Stab, actaully flew the H, as I thought it was clear that both did.

WNr 150007, 'black' 3 was flown by Reschke while with III./JG301. From text in the book: staffel 9 > white, 10 > red, 11 > yellow, 12 > black.

It is a 'green' number. It is a cropped pic of a line up of Stab/JG301 a/c.

There was also Jagdstaffel 152 (formerly EK152) part of Gefechsverband K.d.E and Stab JG11(4 to 6) that had 152Hs. Stab JG11 flew no combat but did loose 2 Hs on a transfer flight to Leck when engaged by Spitfires. Another crashed when landing.

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Re: TA-152 in JG 301 ?

Compare the number to the lighter color in the RV band, what do you think?
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Re: TA-152 in JG 301 ?

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"the story goes as follow : I built the trimaster TA 152 H a few years ago and recently met a guy who built it too ... it so happens we both built the "green one".
as we were discussing I showed this pic (i cropped it myself) and claimed it was the green one ... he said no it's a "yellow one" ... I then asked "has anyone jeard of a yellow one ?" thus leading me tto some researches on tthe net ...
quite simple isn't it ?
sounds like you agree with me about this plane, am I wrong ?
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Re: TA-152 in JG 301 ?

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Compare the number to the lighter color in the RV band, what do you think?
I think the "one" doesn't match the yellow band ... looks as if it were a green one but my eyes are not as they used to be ... lol
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Re: TA-152 in JG 301 ?

For what its worth, I can give some of the content of a letter from Ob.d.L. General der Jagdflieger dated Berlin-Kladow 20.03.1945 concerning the future conversions for all Jagdgruppen (Rüststandentwicklung in den Verbänden).
In this document, the only units to receive the Ta 152 was the J.G.301.
I./J.G.301 was to convert from FW 190A-9/R-11 via FW 190D-9/R-11 to Ta 152.
The same was the case for II./J.G.301. The III./J.G.301 had already converted fully to the Ta 152 and was to remain with this type. At this stage the IV./J.G.301 had been disbanded.
The J.G.11 was to convert as follows:
I./J.G.11 from FW 190A-8 and A-9 to Fw 190D-9.
II./J.G.11 from Bf 109G-10 to Bf 109K-4
III./J.G.11 from FW 190A-8 and A-9 to FW 190D-9.
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Old 25th July 2005, 14:56
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Re: TA-152 in JG 301 ?

JG 11 indeed had several Ta 152s in last weeks of war. But is was due to "procurement" skills of JG 11 personell. It was not because of official instruction to equip the unit with this rare bird.

See Prien/Rodeike´s JG1/JG11 book (third part) for details
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Re: TA-152 in JG 301 ?

Situation as of 11. of april 1945! Se attached document.

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