566 ShAP Il-2 loss June 26th, 1944 - details available?

[Kari Lumppio]

Hi!

If possible I would like to know if primary source (digitized and online preferably) exist for this battle and potential loss.

June 26th, 1944 a group of unescorted Il-2 from 566 ShAP is attacked by two separate Finnish AF Messerschmitt groups. Location was near Portinhoikka (Soviets many times did write "Pirtti" for some reason).

Two Finnish pilots report of an Il-2 hitting (rocky) hill and exploding. Also in a Russian aviation history discussion group there once was a post mentioning that a Soviet Air Observation post had also reported plane explosion on the day.

Finnish side army materials do have no mentions of such plane explosion (heavy battles on the day) including the AAA units. I think I have gone through all the relevant unit diaries already.

I have not been able to put finger on that loss. Does anyone possess material which could detail more? 13 VA daily report does not have such. Ideally copy of the 26.6.1944 277 ShAD daily report might have more details. The daily report as whole is of interest, too. There was no such thing as Soviet air regiment daily report?

The exact time of clock of the loss/explosion would be of high interest to me.


Cheers,
Kari

[HGabor]

Hi Kari,
Not related, but also can be of interest: 13 VA, 277 ShAD, 566 ShAP IL-2, №304775 was lost on June 1, 1944 at Justil(?) to Flak with the following crew:

ст.л-т Юрьев Николай Петрович pilot, dep. Sq. CO, KIA
ст.с-т Булатов Мухаммет (Мухамат) Султангалеевич gunner KIA

Cheers,
Gabor

[kirche]

Hi Kari,
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=450418403
The crew Yelkov-Glebov is listed on the third page

https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=450418417
The regiment's report on the loss of aircraft - page 2 (the lost crew of Yelkov-Glebov Il-2 No. 303775) and page 3 (the surviving crew of Stepanov-Zaitsev Il-2 No. 304695)
BR,
Kirill

[Carl-Fredrik Geust]

Gabor,
the date of "your" case above is 1 July 1944 (not 1 June!),

regards,
Carl

[HGabor]

Hi Carl,
I am sorry, you are right: 1 июля 1944 = July 1, 1944.
Gabor

[Kari Lumppio]

Hi!

Thank you for the replies, especially Kirche for the links! My phone refused to zoom into the pictures and could read them not until now at home on lap top screen. Oh boy, I struggle to read that faint typed cyrillics! At least with RAF ORB scans I can guess the alphabets and words.

Very interesting data but no times. I have tried to create a timeline for Ilmari Juutilainen's flight on the day. He (and wingman Lyly, IIRC) were the last to arrive on the scene and I would like to put a time stamp on that moment. Some VVS daily reports do give the start and landing times for separate flights. I was looking for that for the 566 ShAP. It should have been some time past the 13 o'clock Finnish time.


Cheers,
Kari

[kirche]

Hi Kari,
To view scans from your phone on this site, you need to press a little longer on the page image, and then select the first or second option in the menu (open in a new tab or view). There you can already zoom in and see the details. Or download the picture and watch it in another application.
KTB 277 ShAD
Page 97 https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=150401846
Or page 94 https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=150401850
Reports 277 ShAD
Pages 8-9 https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=455171314
Pages 11, 26-27 https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=455145897

Kirill

[Kari Lumppio]

Thanks kirche!

Was travelling in work and tried the links with phone late last night and it worked.

Cheers,
Kari