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Old 3rd February 2006, 13:57
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Operation Aphrodite

Hi guys

I hope someone out there can help me with details of 562ndBS's B-17 drone (BQ-7s) losses/casualties late 1944. I have the following dates and notes:

4 August 1944: Two drones and two controlling B-17s off on first operation. One drone went out of control after first of two crew baled out; the other was killed. Names? Other BQ-7 shot down by flak after crew had baled out over England.

6 August 1944: two BQ-7s and four controlling B-17s off on second operation. The BQ-7 crews baled out as planned but one BQ-7 crashed into sea. The other BQ-7 circled before also crashing into the sea.

Date unknown: Two BQ-7 off to attack targets in Heliogoland. One pilot killed during bale out. Identity? BQ-7 reached target but believed shot down by flak.

Date unknown: Both BQ-7s crashed into sea on route to Heide/Hemmingstedt.

October 1944: Operation against Heliogoland. One shot down by flak, other crashed into sea.

October 1944: One BQ-7 failed to reach target in Heligoland, other crashed into sea.

5 December 1944: Two BQ-7s off to attack Hannover. One shot down by flak, other crashed near target but did not explode.

20 January 1945: Both BQ-7s missed target at Oldenberg. Last operation.

Any help will be most appreciated. Information required for my current book.

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Brian
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Old 3rd February 2006, 22:34
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Re: Operation Aphrodite

From the official USAAF Chronology:

4 August 1944
Mission 515: The first APHRODITE mission is flown using 4 radio-controlled war weary B-17s as flying bombs; targets are Mimoyecques, Siracourt, Watten, and Wizernes V-weapon sites but none are hit; 1 drone B-17 crashes killing 1 crew. Escort is provided by 16 P-47s and 16 P-51s.

13 August 1944
Mission 549: 1 APHRODITE B-17 with 2,000-pounds (907 kgs) of bombs is launched against Le Havre; B-17, P-38 and Mosquito support aircraft assist; the target is missed and the Mosquito is destroyed by the exploding bombs.
(Note: this raid was not using BQ-7, but the "Natty" glider launched from a B-17. Details of the loss of the Mosquito can be found in Ospery Combat Aircraft nr 13)

14 September 1944
Mission 632: 2 B-17 control aircraft and 2 B-17 CASTOR drones fly an APHRODITE mission to the oil refinery at Hemmingstedt, Germany; the target is missed.

15 October 1944
Mission 678A: 2 of 9 B-17s make an APHRODITE attack on naval installations on Heligoland Island, Germany; 23 of 24 B-17s fly a cover mission to the same targets. Escort is provided by 15 of 16 P-51s and 2 P-38s without loss.

30 October 1944
Mission 693A: 2 of 5 B-17s make an APHRODITE attack on Heligoland Island, Germany; escort is provided by 7 of 7 P-47s. 26 of 27 B-17s, escorted by 8 of 8 P-47s, fly a cover mission to Heligoland without loss.

5 December 1944
Mission 739 is an APHRODITE mission with 2 B-17 Castor drones, 3 B-17 control and observation aircraft, a P-38 observation aircraft and 17 of 17 P-51s as escort; the P-51s claim 1-0-0 aircraft.

1 January 1945
Mission 774 (part 5): 2 of 5 B-17s fly an APHRODITE mission against Oldenburg without loss.
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Old 4th February 2006, 12:04
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Re: Operation Aphrodite

Many thanks once again Laurent. Thanks also for e-mail. Reply on the way.

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Old 4th February 2006, 21:14
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Re: Operation Aphrodite

Brian - Do you have book " Aphrodite: Desperate Mission " by Jack Olson?
Mike
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Old 4th February 2006, 22:00
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Hi,

During an Aphrodite mission to Mimoyecques V3 site on 12 August 1944 died JFK's older brother, Joseph Kennedy Jr.

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Old 5th February 2006, 16:08
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Thanks Mike and Michal

I have just ordered a copy of Olsen's book!

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Hi Brian,

Attachment 372

I hope that atachment has worked.

Alex

PS US Navy were named "Anvil"
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Re: Operation Aphrodite

Thanks a million Alex - excellent information.

Cheers
Brian


On the first Aprodite operation one co-pilot was killed when the BQ-7 crashed at Orford on 4/8/44. Has anyone his identity? And what was the serial number of his aircraft - either 41-24639, 42-39825, 42-30342 or 42-3461?

Another pilot was killed on 11/9/44 aboard 42-30180. Has anyone his identity?

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Re: Operation Aphrodite

Hi Brian,

I send you a link about Aphrodite missions, (sorry it’s in French, I have no time to translate this, but with a Free Translator on the web, you surely understand the text)

You’ll find serial numbers and pilots’ names that I find for each “BQ-7”.

http://test01163.sivit.org/phpBB2/vi...ight=aphrodite

Hoping, that helps you in you search.

Blue spader .
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Old 10th February 2006, 14:30
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Re: Operation Aphrodite

Blue Spader

Many thanks indeed. Possibly, by now, you and the others have realised that I am not very bright when it comes to the Internet, and now I have to admit that I do not know how to use (or even find) a Free Translator! Help!

And how can I read the minutely printed Resume of Missions that presumably gives the names of the pilots of the BQ-7s?

Brian

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