Please, need information on two JG 2 pilots.

[Adriano Baumgartner]

Good night to all.
I would like to know the fates of two JG 2 pilots ( they were probably killed during the war ). I would like to check the date of their deaths ( If so ) and number of victories achieved. The men are:
1- Oblt Armin Andler from .8/ JG 2
2- Uffz Rudolf Eisele also from .8/ JG 2

Thanks for your help

Adriano

[Chris Goss]

Ofw Rudolf Eisele was killed 14 Apr 43. I have nothing on an Oblt Armin Andler-do you mean Armin Landmann who was killed 7 Nov 42?

[Adriano Baumgartner]

Hi Chris!
Yes, you are correct! I did a terrible mistake ( misreading ) on the name of Oblt Armin LANDMANN, who was almost certainly shot down by Sous Lieutenant A. Moynet from 340 French Squadron at 16:05hs some 30 miles S of B. Head. Do you know how many victories he had at the time of his death? And, the name of the other JG 2 pilot shot down on that same mission?
Glad
Yours
Adriano

[Chris Goss]

Landmann & Lt Heribert Hufnagel were lost in combat near Brest & St Renan respectively at 1210 & 1205 hrs. Moynet's claim was south of Beachy Head (which is nowhere near Brest) at 1615 hrs (1715 hrs German time). Moynet was apparently on a practice flight and not involved with the attack on Brest which was apparently 4 hours before his claim and JG 2 was intercepting an attack by B17s/B24s on Brest 4 hours before Moynet's claim. However, Oblt Bruno Stolle of 8/JG 2 did claim a B-24 c.1700 hrs on this day (which would make it 1600 hrs UK time) even though no B-24s were lost over the target. If we had the times for the attack on Brest, this would answer the possible discrepancy. Landmann had, I think, 4 kills

[Adriano Baumgartner]

Hello Chris!
I do not know what happened to my last post, but yes, you are quite right. I must have been "flying" when I wrote Anders. I was trully meaning Oblt Armin Landmann, who apparently was shot down by Sous-Lieutenant André Moynet, of the 340 Squadron.
Do you know how many victories were credited to Oblt Landmann before his death? It seems that S/Lt Moynet also claimed a second Fw 190 A-3 on the same combat. Do you confirm this on your files?
Thanks for helping me again.
Adriano

[Adriano Baumgartner]

Sorry Chris! I do not know what is happening with my computer´s configuration...I had not access to your last answers before posting out the above and that reply too.
Very strange the facts of this 7th November. I read on a French site that Landmann could have been brought down by his own Flak!? His body apparently was found and buried at Ploudaniel-Lesvenen, Bloc 14 Row 6 Grave 401. I will try to find out more about the B-24 raid.
Thank you again and excuse me for the problems with the computer...I swear I had not see your post although I knew there were 3 replies...
Yours as ever
Adriano

[dahiot daniel]

Originally Posted by Adriano Baumgartner

Sorry Chris! I do not know what is happening with my computer´s configuration...I had not access to your last answers before posting out the above and that reply too.
Very strange the facts of this 7th November. I read on a French site that Landmann could have been brought down by his own Flak!? His body apparently was found and buried at Ploudaniel-Lesvenen, Bloc 14 Row 6 Grave 401. I will try to find out more about the B-24 raid.
Thank you again and excuse me for the problems with the computer...I swear I had not see your post although I knew there were 3 replies...
Yours as ever
Adriano

Hi,
Oblt. Armin Landmann. Block 14 Reihe 6 Grab 401. Ploudaniel-Lesneven. Loss in air combat against B-17. Loss Brest "Baie du Moulin Blanc".

[Gildas]

Hi to all,


If no remain found, suspect WNr. 2187 crashed north of plouzané which is south of St Renan where his death was recorded.
Hope this helps
Gildas

[Johannes]

Hi Adriano

Rudolf Eisele 24th November 1920-14th April 1943 had nine confirmed victories:-

26th September 1942 Spitfire raum Brest 1846 hrs 100 metres altitude
26th September 1942 Spitfire 5km NW Guipavas 1857 hrs 50 metres
21st October 1942 B-17 30km South of Brest 1400 hrs 4000-200 metres
27th October 1942 Spitfire 1719 hrs 7000 metres
30th November 1942 Beaufighter 1020 hrs 100 metres
1st December 1942 Beaufighter 0955 hrs 300 metres
1st December 1942 Beaufighter 1454 hrs 400 metres
26th January 1943 Spitfire 1547 hrs 1800 metres
29th January 1943 Spitfire North of Morlaix 1429 hrs 2800 metres

Armin Landmann 15th July 1917-7th November 1942

9th May 1942 Spitfire 2km SE Audruicq 1350 hrs
21st October 1942 B-17 6km South of Plouescat 1350 hrs 4000 metres
27th October 1942 Spitfire 1720 hrs 7000 metres
29th October 1942 Whitley 6km West of Merlaix 1842 hrs 1200 metres

Landmann's first was with 1./JG2, all others for both pilots with 8./JG2.

Kind Regards

Johannes