Alfred Lindenberger - 28 September 1944

[Leo Etgen]

Hello all

Yes, Michael, that would be a very interesting article to read! Perhaps you would be able to upload it to a file sharing site such as https://easyupload.io/ or https://wetransfer.com/ and post the link in the thread? I am also aware of Oberstleutnant Alexander von Winterfeldt, Leutnant Hans Krug, Generalmajor Otto Höhne, Oberst Harry von Bülow-Bothkamp and Oberst Paul Strähle being aces in World War I and later serving in operational units in World War II.

Horrido!

Leo

[knusel]

Good morning Leo,

I'm interested in these guys, too.

I've sent you an eMail with the article attached.

Sincerely,

Michael

[VtwinVince]

Osterkamp would have the highest combined total, if I'm not mistaken.

[knusel]

Yes, 32+6 according to older sources.
But 29+2 according to Johannes Mathews.
I'm curious what Lance Bronnentkant will find out.

[knusel]

Of all the pilots who scored in both wars, Osterkamp hast the highest combined total. The second rank would be occupied by Harry von Bülow-Bothkamp but only if his 18 WW2 kills are more than a hoax. Does anybody of you know more about that ?

[VtwinVince]

AFAIK the Bothkamp total is completely spurious. Which would put Mix as the next highest, followed by von Winterfelt. I also have Alfred Mueller, Gerhard Hubrich, Alfred Helm, Friedrich Vollbracht and Dr. Albrecht Ochs on my list.

[knusel]

Good evening VtwinVince,

Alfred Müller is supposed to have scored three kills in WW1.
But I found only the dates of two so far:
5,3.17
25,3.17
Can you tell me the third ?

Have a good Thursday, sincerely,

Michael

[VtwinVince]

I don't have that missing info, perhaps someone over at the 'drome can help. I'm more familiar with Mueller's activities with JG3, as my uncle was also with his staffel in France.

[knusel]

Good evening Vince,

that's cool.

I've made a list of those who scored in both World Wars and compiled how the different sources agree or disagree. I also determined the age of the pilots, and the year of the first and last kill. The list includes:

• Theodor Osterkamp
• Harry von Bülow-Bothkamp
• Marcel Claude Haegelen
• Alfred Lindenberger
• Erich Mix
• Marius Ambrogi
• Gerhard Hubrich
• Alexander von Winterfeldt
• Lionel de Marmier
• Alfred Müller
• Albrecht Ochs
• Friedrich Vollbracht

Alfred Helm did not score in WW1, did he ?

Cheers,

Michael

[VtwinVince]

According to my list, Major Helm had three claims in WW1. Interestingly, I have Mueller with two claims in WW1.