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Old 12th September 2020, 18:50
Dénes Bernád Dénes Bernád is offline
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Junkers Ju 86s for Chile

While browsing the net a while ago, I came across a page in Spanish listing the Junkers Ju 86s sold to Chile, including the construction numbers. Unfortunately, I cannot find that page anymore.
If someone has info on the constr. nos. of the Chilean Ju 86K-6s, please let me/us know. It's not for publishing purpose.
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Old 12th September 2020, 22:47
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Re: Junkers Ju 86s for Chile

Just sent you an e-mail Dénes

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Old 13th September 2020, 16:16
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Re: Junkers Ju 86s for Chile

The serial numbers of the chilean Ju 86 K and Z are not known. According to the gaps in my s/n list I think the serial numbers are most probably as follows:
0323
0324
0326
0327
0329
0331
0333
0335
0337
0339
0343
0347

See also the enclosed list (extract).
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Old 13th September 2020, 16:30
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Re: Junkers Ju 86s for Chile

Many thanks, Peter, for the additions and an excerpt from your Ju 86 table.

The reason why I inquired about the constr. numbers of the Chilean Ju 86s is solely to try to understand the logic behind the distribution of the 8603xx series of aircraft built by Junkers.

One question, though, the 860341 does not show up in the list included in the Ju 86s sold to Sweden, as published in Swedish Bomber Colours, by MMP Books, page 54. However, the c/n of aircraft No. 135 is given as 860431. Could this be a typo for 860341?
Also, can you confirm that 860344 indeed ended up in Hungary?
Final question: which customer do you have for 860370?
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Old 13th September 2020, 16:43
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Re: Junkers Ju 86s for Chile

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The serial numbers of the chilean Ju 86 K and Z are not known. According to the gaps in my s/n list I think the serial numbers are most probably as follows:
0323 0325
0324 0324
0326 0326
0327 0327
0329 0328
0331 0329
0333 0330
0335 0335
0337 0337
0339 0339
0343 0343
0347 0347

See also the enclosed list (extract).
Very interesting list Peter

I have sent Dénes the list provided by Tincopa/Rivas as listed in the book Axis Aircraft in Latin America. See above.
Their main informer regarding Chile was Danilo Villaroel.
The ID of WNr 0325 vs 0323 seems to be a misprint (already identified by Dénes)
The identification of WNr 0328 - 0330 vs 0329, 0331, 0333 seems to be guesswork from whoever was responsible, that is if the deliveries to Hungary are 100% confirmed by other sources.
I would say Dénes also seems to favour your list and not Tincopa/Rivas

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Old 13th September 2020, 16:48
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Re: Junkers Ju 86s for Chile

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Many thanks, Peter, for the additions and an excerpt from your Ju 86 table.

One question, though, the 860341 does not show up in the list included in the Ju 86s sold to Sweden, as published in Swedish Bomber Colours, by MMP Books, page 54. However, the c/n of aircraft No. 135 is given as 860431. Could this be a typo for 860341?
Indeed a typo in the book. 860341 was the one going to Sweden.
I have nothing for 860431

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Old 13th September 2020, 17:00
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Re: Junkers Ju 86s for Chile

I have the 0341 for Sweden. 0431 was an Ju 86 G.

0344 was exported to Hungary. I have no information about further fate.

0370 was also exported to Hungary, flown in March 1938 from Dessau via Munich to Szombathely as D-AYQO.

And there is no logic behind the 08603XX-series. There were cancelled orders from Austria and China and s/n were reassigned to different countries, and some of these ex Ju 86 K went to the Luftwaffe. It's a mess.
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Old 19th September 2020, 16:23
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Re: Junkers Ju 86s for Chile

@Stig Jarlevik
You mentioned the book "Axis Aircraft in Latin America". Are the s/n of the four Ju 86 Z of LAN given in the book?

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Old 19th September 2020, 17:37
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Re: Junkers Ju 86s for Chile

Stig has provided me with the Werknummern of the four civilian aircraft employed by Chile:
CC-220 to 223 (222-223 later to FACh as 901-902), WNr 860240 - 243.
However, these are outside my scope of interest, which in this case is Hungary.
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Old 19th September 2020, 20:10
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Re: Junkers Ju 86s for Chile

Thanks Dénes

Yes Peter, they do, and since I am still in Munic I am unable to answer.

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