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KG77 losses 1 & 3 July 1940
Hi guys
I am rather confused as to KG77's losses on 1 July and 3 July 1940. I know that Frank Mason's lists aren't entirely accurate but he shows six losses for 1 July but I believe all bar one occurred on 3 July. This is what I have: 1 July: 64/145 Squadrons shared Do17 - II/KG77? 3 July: 616 Sqn Do17 610 Sqn Do17, Do17 probable and Do215 probable 32 Sqn Do17 (8/KG77) 54 Sqn Do215 probable 56 Sqn Do215 probable Apparently KG77 recorded five Do17s lost on this date. Has anyone details of these losses, including crews, codes etc? Cheers Brian Last edited by Brian; 23rd August 2006 at 15:38. |
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Re: KG77 losses 1 & 3 July 1940
Brian: I have sorted this confusion before and have it at home but Peter Cornwell would be quicker
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Re: KG77 losses 1 & 3 July 1940
I have no KG 77 losses on 1 July 1940. The “Do 17” claimed on that day was a Do 215 of AufklObdL. For 3 July 1940, I have these KG 77 losses: Do 17Z 1./KG 77 Harwich Pilot Oblt Steiner entire crew missing Aircraft missing, 100% loss. Do 17Z 2./KG 77 Beobachter Oblt Kretschmer entire crew missing Aircraft missing, 100% loss. Do 17Z II/KG 77 Vroancourt entire crew killed Absturz. Bruch 100 %. Do 17Z 7./KG 77 Bei Brighton one crewmember injured. Fighter attack. Bruch ? %. Do 17Z 8./KG 77 Aldershot entire crew killed Aircraft missing, 100% loss. Do 17Z 2642 3Z+GS 8./KG 77 Baybrooks, Horsmonden Obgfr Hoffmann, E killed Uffz Theilig, W killed Beobachter Oblt Gallion (Gillies?), H-G POW Uffz Brandes, R POW Force-landed, shot down by fighter. Bruch 100 %. 1940-07-03 Do 17Z 9./KG 77 Dover Flugzeugführer Oblt Kapsch and three crewmembers injured. Bruch 100 %. Reason unknown. |
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Re: KG77 losses 1 & 3 July 1940
Hi Christer
Many thanks indeed. Two Do215s from Aufkl.ObdL were lost on 1 July and another on 2 July. Do you have details of the crews and times of losses? I trust you are well and I look forward to your book. Cheers Brian |
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Re: KG77 losses 1 & 3 July 1940
Gentlemen,
Sorry but I have been away from my desk for a few days. I have no losses recorded for KG77 on 1 July 1940, but they lost several aircraft during a series of nuisance raids over southern England on 3 July 1940 as follows: 3 July 1940 1./KG77 Lost on nuisance raid Harwich – Ipswich Shot down by F/L Coghlan, P/O Mounsden, & F/O Brooker of No.56 Squadron in sea off Burnham 16.20 hours Ff: Oberlt Kurt STEINER missing HBeo: Oberfw Kurt BIRKS missing Bf: Uffz Johannes FLÜGEL missing BSch: Gefr Kurt DIETEL missing 3 July 1940 2./KG77 Lost on nuisance raid Dover – Hawkinge Possibly that shot down in sea off Margate by Sgt Hamlyn of No.610 Squadron 16.35 hours Ff: Fw Richard SAFT killed Beo: Oberlt Fritz KRETZSCHMAR missing Bf: Fw Gerhard JOPPICH missing Bm: Oberfw Alfred PENZEL missing 3 July 1940 2./KG77 Returned hit by fighters near Brighton One (un-named) crewman slightly wounded (Note: Possible duplication in records see 7 Staffel) 3 July 1940 4./KG77 crashed near Vreaucourt (?), cause unknown Ff: Fw Ludwig EICHHORN killed HBeo: Uffz Gerhard HARTMANN killed Bf: Uffz Heinz BOOST killed Bm: Uffz Georg HOLLERAUER killed 3 July 1940 7./KG77 Returned hit by fighters near Brighton Possibly that attacked Coastal Command Blenheim (F/O Carr, P/O Howe, & Sgt Dawson) of No.235 Squadron over Thorney Island c14.00 hours. HBeo: Uffz Oskar GERBER sl. wounded 3 July 1940 8./KG77 Failed to return nuisance raid Aldershot Possibly that attacked between West Grinstead & Beachy Head by F/L Dalton-Morgan & P/O Gorrie of No.43 Squadron 16.30 hours Ff: Fw Werner PATRZICH killed HBeo: Uffz Wilhelm KUSKE killed Bf: Uffz Rudolf PFEIFFER killed HSch: Gefr Walter MAIR killed 3 July 1940 8./KG77 Nuisance raid Hastings – Tonbridge – Redhill Shot down by P/O Gardner, Sgt Bayley, & Sgt Higgins of No.32 Squadron at Paddock Wood 17.05 hours 3Z+GS Ff: Uffz Richard BRANDES PoW Beo: Oberlt Hans-Georg GALLION PoW Bf: Obergefr Erich HOFMANN killed HSch: Uffz Waldemar THEILIG killed 3 July 1940 9./KG77 Failed to return – nuisance raid Dover Possibly that attacked NW of Deal by F/L Way, P/O Gray, & Sgt Norwell of No.54 Squadron 15.15 hours Ff: Oberlt Hermann KAPSCH wounded HBeo: Uffz Karl SCHWARZBACH wounded Bm: Uffz Ernst GOLDHORN wounded Bf: Gefr Kurt THIEMICKE wounded |
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Re: KG77 losses 1 & 3 July 1940
Many thanks, Peter.
Did you receive my latest package, mailed to you last week? Incidentally, what is your Post Code? Cheers Brian |
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Re: KG77 losses 1 & 3 July 1940
Interesting that one of the aircraft was so far (Ipswich-Harwich area) from where all the others were lost.
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Re: KG77 losses 1 & 3 July 1940
Hello Peter ,
8.KG77 Do17 of Gallion 3Z+GS Wn 2645 ... ,,??? Any other figures for the others ?? Any new notices for the wounded of the 2.KG77 if any.. The plane for the 9.KG77 was lost ?? Noted that first crew was quoted as missing .. Rémi |
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Re: KG77 losses 1 & 3 July 1940
Remi,
All details remain as previously posted apart from the 9./KG77 loss that is as follows: 9./KG77 Dornier Do17Z. Believed crashed on return badly damaged by AA fire during nuisance raid over Maidenhead. FF Oberlt Hermann Kapsch, HB Uffz Karl Schwarzbach, BF Gefr Kurt Thiemicke, and BM Uffz Ernst Goldhorn all returned wounded. Aircraft 100% write-off. |
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Re: KG77 losses 1 & 3 July 1940
3 July 1940 4./KG77 crashed near Vreaucourt (?), cause unknown
Ff: Fw Ludwig EICHHORN killed HBeo: Uffz Gerhard HARTMANN killed Bf: Uffz Heinz BOOST killed Bm: Uffz Georg HOLLERAUER killed This crew is buried in Bourdon Cemetery, France, all graves dated 4th July. |
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