II.(Schlacht)Lehrgeschwader 2

[steven1]

Hello

I am looking for any information on this unit and what type of aircraft
they were using in September 1941.

Also any information on a Gefreiten Heinrich Golz who served in this unit.

thanks in advance.

[Tim O.]

Hi Steven

de Zeng and Stankey say this unit was not formed until 13th January 1942 (in Lippstadt) with the Hs123 and Hs129.

Best wishes
Tim O.

[hucks216]

II/LG-2... http://www.ww2.dk/air/lehr/lg2.htm

[Tim O.]

Originally Posted by Tim O.

Hi Steven

de Zeng and Stankey say this unit was not formed until 13th January 1942 (in Lippstadt) with the Hs123 and Hs129.

Best wishes
Tim O.

Apologies Larry. My error.

I should have known better - especially as I also have documents for a man from II.(Schlacht)/LG2. Very embarrassing!

My man was with 4. Staffel and shot down over England in a Bf109 on 29th October 1940 while attacking North Weald airfield. He was taken prisoner.

Again apologies for my addled brain.

Best wishes
Tim O.

[ouidjat]

Gentlemen,

Sorry guys but some times to times I can be very stupid!
Which unit are you talking about?
One fellow member is asking for something, others are trying to answer but 89% of TOCH quiet members are reading too, saying nothing.
So:
II.(S)/LG 2 or II./Sch.G 2 ????
Which is not - I think ; but I can be wrong too - exactly the same situation: in time, duty, and machines ...

Regards, Franck.

[Larry deZeng]

No problemo, Tim O. It is real easy to get some of these units mixed up. I know because it happens to me more than I care to admit!

Larry

[Andreas Brekken]

Hello, again.

Franck - sorry to cause confusion with my typo re unit designation in an earlier post!

Larry - I disagree with your notion that 10./LG 2 did not belong to the II.(S)/LG 2 with regards to organisation. I know you have written books on the ground attack units - but I believe you missed something here:

Quote from the Vortrag über die Einsatzbereitschaft der fligende Verbände Stand: 1.3.1941:

2. Veränderungen.

Bei der II./(Schl.) L.G. 2 ist die Aufstellung einer 4. Staffel mit einem Soll von 12 Hs 123 befohlen.

Übernahme der Flugzeuge ist noch nicht erfolgt.

As the following Staffeln already existed:

1., 2. and 3. Staffel under I.(Jagd)/LG 2
4., 5. and 6. Staffel under II.(Schl.)/LG 2
and
7., 8., and 9. Staffel under III.(Aufkl.)/LG 2

the new Staffel was given the Staffel designation 10.

This was a Staffel which was totally a part of II.(S)/LG 2 with regards to command structure, and reported as integral part of this unit.

Regards,
Andreas B

[Larry deZeng]

Hi Andreas,

I guess we will have to agree to disagree. A Vortrag (enunciation, i.e., announcement or proclamation) appended to an Einsatzbereitschaft der fligende Verbände report does not constitute an official order. That would have been issued by the Organisationsabteilung of the Genst. d.Lw. In fact, the Vortrag clearly says that such action had been "ordered" on or before 01.03.1941. But the devil is in the details and those would be found in the official Organisationsabteilung order that would direct in a number of pages how, why, where and when it would be carried out, list the KStNs involved and cover the assignment of a Feldpost number (if any).

I would find it strange if a new Staffel with an aircraft that was different from that flown by the rest of II. Gruppe and with an independent Staffel number was intended to be an integrated organic component of the Gruppe.

Until more documentary proof, such as the actual Organisationsabteilung order appears, I will continue to believe 10. Staffel was attached to II. Gruppe but was not an organic component of it. The German military was very methodical about things like this and this case would have been a major departure from the norm.

This is why Stankey and I treated 10.(Schlacht)/LG 2 separately in our book: lack of concrete proof that for some strange reason it was integrated into the Gruppe as a component of it.

Best,

Larry

[steven1]

Hello Franck,

The Document which I have and raised a very interesting thread for me is The Iron Cross 2nd Class.
regards steven

[SR71Blackbird]

Hello Forum!

There are some little correction to be made.
The Gruppenkommandeur Major Georg Spielvogel died on September 9th 1939 and not on the 13th.
And sorry, but not being to fancy, the correct abbreviation for II. Schlachtgruppe/Lehrgeschwader 2 ist II.(Schl.)/LG 2.

Greetings from Tutow, the Home of II.(Schl.)/LG 2
Heiko