|
Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces Please use this forum to discuss the German Luftwaffe and the Air Forces of its Allies. |
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
|
#1
|
||||
|
||||
Me 262 Fl.Ü.G. 1
Need help with a Me 262 of Fl.Ü.G. 1 that is listed in the losses of Luftflotte 10 with W.Nr. 170900 on 22. Sep. 1944. Could this be a typo? Any thoughts are welcome.
Regards, Norbert |
#2
|
|||
|
|||
Re: Me 262 Fl.Ü.G. 1
The source is listed as BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/780, p.187. It could be a clerical error, I suppose.
Perhaps Dan O'Connell can comment? |
#3
|
|||
|
|||
Re: Me 262 Fl.Ü.G. 1
Norbert -
There were no claims for ME 262 by 8th , 9th , 15th AF Fighter Pilots on 9/22/44.. Mike |
#4
|
|||
|
|||
Re: Me 262 Fl.Ü.G. 1
I did some checking, and it can't be 170900, no such block. It isn't 170090 as it survived for some time after that, or 009 which was destroyed by bombing 19 July. It can't be 110900, 090, or 009 either. It also can't be 130900, 090, or 009.
None of the few losses of 262's in the week up to 22 September came even close to your W.Nr. One of those mysteries I guess. |
#5
|
||||
|
||||
Re: Me 262 Fl.Ü.G. 1
Thank you all for the fast responses. I was afraid of that.
Regards, Norbert |
#6
|
||||
|
||||
Re: Me 262 Fl.Ü.G. 1
Well, since it is in connection with Fl Ü G 1, what about if it were just a loss due to technical failure on a ferrying flight (Fl Ü G are just ferrying units) and not a loss due to combat actions? AFAIK the monthly losses (sometimes?) also listed ferried a/c.
__________________
Regards Christian M. Aguilar |
#7
|
||||
|
||||
Re: Me 262 Fl.Ü.G. 1
Hi, guys
The original record show the following information: http://www.ahs.no/ref_db/lw_loss_pub...?lossid=100993 Thus a relatively small damage percentage, might even have occured while the aircraft was on the ground... taxying incident or similar maybe. Location is the airfield at Schwäbisch-Hall, and since the pilot did not sustain any injuries I suspect the only way to get further information is if some tower log, unit diary or similar mentioning the incident with detail appear. My guess is that this airframe was repaired, and thus my best bet is that the real WNr is 170090. Norbert state a loss, and I think Dan assumed that this indicated a destroyed aircraft. This is clearly not the case and I would be confident to change the WNr in my database to 170090 and just add a note for this record stating what is discussed here. Regards, Andreas B |
#8
|
|||
|
|||
Re: Me 262 Fl.Ü.G. 1
Andreas brings up some very good points, and reminds us of how difficult researching these matters can be.
Here is the information I had about 170090: 170090 Call sign KP+OR. Me 262 A-2a. Delivered to I./KG 51 on 16 September 1944. The Technical Officer, Lt. Batel, noted a number of defects in the aircraft as delivered from the factory, typical of the problems of quality control in the German aircraft industry by this time. Among other issues, the canopy could not be locked from the inside, unless two men pushed down on it from the outside. The right rudder pedal was sticking, and the wheel covers did not fit. Fuel tank seals were already corroded and leaking, and the compass was incorrect by 20 degrees. All of these situations were corrected by Gruppen personnel. It was flown by Obfw. Otto Zeppenfeld of I./KG 51 to Fassberg on 30 March 1945, then to Rheinsehlen on the following day. Note that I was unaware of a "techn. mängel" as applied to an accident, although the poor condition of the aircraft as received by KG 51 could explain the "15%", but it certainly was not a LOSS. Fl.Ü.G. 1 was not mentioned although it is most likely who delivered the aircraft. Like Andreas, I would believe that the WNr is 170090, provided all information is presented as found, and noted. You never stop learning in this interest :-) |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
KG51 Me 262 claims / confirmed kills & Me 262 9K+BH | Roger Gaemperle | Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces | 4 | 27th November 2017 21:44 |
Fl.Ü.G 1 pilots | Eric Larger | Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces | 19 | 8th July 2015 11:07 |
Typhoon vs. Me 262 | Michal R. | Allied and Soviet Air Forces | 6 | 14th November 2007 21:30 |
Me 262 wn 111755 | FRANCESCO M LENTINI | Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces | 5 | 29th November 2006 02:53 |
JV 44's Me262 last tranfers to Hinnsbruck-Hotting | FRANCESCO M LENTINI | Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces | 4 | 31st October 2006 15:21 |