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Re: RAF Dakota loss Sept-Oct 1944
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There's this database too to look at https://aviation-safety.net/database...&lang=&page=10 but nothing seems to match. |
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Re: RAF Dakota loss Sept-Oct 1944
Kaki,
Any pointer in the book where and how the Dakota was shot down? Flak or a German fighter? Since direct route Evreux to Diest was pretty much over liberated area in presumed months, an accidental loss may not be excluded. Regards, Leendert |
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Re: RAF Dakota loss Sept-Oct 1944
In the online book "Generally Speaking" by Richard Rohmer more details are disclosed on page 170-171.
It appears that his logbook was on a Dakota detailed for the move from Evreux to Diest, but somehow the aircraft was then ordered to fly to the UK instead. There the cargo was unloaded. After some days the or another Dakota had to go to Diest with the original load. According Rohmer the pilot mistook Diest for another Diest (haven't found out yet what other Diest is referred to...) which brought the Dakota over enemy territory, with fatal results. A loss over Holland therefore more likely? Regards, Leendert |
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Re: RAF Dakota loss Sept-Oct 1944
In the book "Though Without Anger", a 437 Sqn loss on the 21st was promosing but the online ORB shows that all losses that date for this squadron were during a Market Garden operation.
But I found a candidate thanks to Google: the Dakota KG512 of 271 Sqn. See http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/sho...ash-in-Belgium and http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=41891 "Though Without Anger" has the loss on the 25th of September with no detail at all. A check of the 271 Sqn ORB could be useful. |
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Re: RAF Dakota loss Sept-Oct 1944
Hello,
1195055 W/O William David Bruce ALLEN RAFVR. Allen hailed from Fremantle, Western Australia, consequently he has an (undigitised) A705 at the NAA: https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/Sear...1061099&isAv=N see also: http://www.rafcommands.com/archive/07503.php Col |
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Re: RAF Dakota loss Sept-Oct 1944
Only if we follow Rohmer’s assertion that the Dakota was shot down over enemy territory, then KG512 cannot be a candidate.
This a/c crashed near Nieuwpoort (Nieuport), Belgium, in the coastal area liberated some two weeks before and with no enemy action involved. Also, and still referring to Rohmer’s book “Generally Speaking”, at what stage or how did he learn that the pilot had been flying to a wrong Diest and so came over German held land? A returned/evaded survivor of the crash? There weren’t any on the KG512. Regards, Leendert |
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Re: RAF Dakota loss Sept-Oct 1944
Just a point about Nieupoort, it is quite close to Dunkirk. Dunkirk was not liberated at this time. In fact it was held by the Germans until the end of the war. I have investigated other allied crashes of planes that strayed over these bypassed ports such as Dunkirk and were shot down. I am not saying that happened here, in fact this link says the plane was on a resupply mission: https://aviation-safety.net/database...id=19440921-30
but might be a possibility which could explain how a plane could "stray" over occupied territory and crash far away from what we think were the then current "front lines". |
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Re: RAF Dakota loss Sept-Oct 1944
Rolland,
Good points to ponder. More info about circumstances of loss of KG512 are needed. 271 Squadron ORB can help? Crashsite was Ramskapelle, near Nieuwpoort (there's also a Ramskapelle near Knokke). Indeed, more losses are known of aircraft coming too close to Dunkirk... Regards, Leendert |
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Re: RAF Dakota loss Sept-Oct 1944
And 430 Sqn knew their gear was lost as they record it in the ORB on Sep 21st. So aircraft lost on or before the 21st.
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regards Dennis Burke Foreign Aircraft in Ireland 1939-1945 http://www.ww2irishaviation.com |
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Re: RAF Dakota loss Sept-Oct 1944
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How do you know that it was the Ramskapelle near Nieuwpoort rather than the other ? The fact that the crew is buried at Agedem seems to indicate the Knokke area, as it is closer. |
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