Ju 88 D-1 4N+EH (W. Nr. 0881203) Restoration

[Modeldad]

http://www.luftfart.museum.no/Engels...ation/ju88.htm

http://aircraftresourcecenter.com/Ga...bo/gal4995.htm

Could someone please explain how all the 70/71 is gone, yet the codes(and presumably the crosses) are left and appear to have a nice sharp edge.

[Sergio Luis dos Santos]

I would risk being a chemical feature, maybe a different composition made the paint more resistent to wheather. In several photos is easily seen the markings being shinny/glossy in contrast with the flat camouflage color.

[edNorth]

HI;

Thats easy to explain; where codes were painted you have more layers of paint (total of three: primer, camouflage and the code paint f.e. black); when two layers are gone - the topmost and one under it you see only the primer paint in those areas similar in shape to the codes, but bare metal where no codes were!

cheers
ed

[Larry Hickey]

These sources don't provide the info on the date of the crash-landing of the Ju 88C-4, WNr. 088 0797, code #4D+HA of KG 30. The "A" would indicate Gruppenstab. Does anyone know the date of the loss of this aircraft?

Thanks,

Larry Hickey

[edNorth]

Hi Larry;

Never assume anything regarding the Luftwaffe, it might turn out wrong... Erprobungstaffel/KG 30 used
4D+_A and many codes are known. Here are all details I know, they could have been more: I sent this museum an E-mail once but they did´nt really care a proper answer...

W.Nr. 0880797 mfd March 1941
- Ju 88 A-5 [SK+QS] Luftwaffe
- Ju 88 C-2´ 4D+HA Erp.St./KG 30 (Luftflotte 5)
OPS (F) damaged by AA fire, force landed (70%) near Sandfjord at Nordkyn, Kinnarodden [Norway] 28.03.1942 (Staffelkapitän F Hptm. Cuno Gotthardt badly injured, B Oblt. Helmut Lütgens badly injured and BF Uffz. Willi Hillebrecht slightly inj) (rep as Ju 88 A5 797 in LWFLV losses) - Sold by Norwegian Government to <unk> locals after the war ended (1945) - Wreck was recovered in separate operations by RNoAF Museum to local storage site in Northern Norway in 1999 and 2000 - Then moved by ship transport to the RNoAF Museum at Bodö in 2001 - Stored in Bodö [2004]
[Note: W.Nr. 0880797 had C-4 type Zerstörer nosecap; code from SIG Luftwaffe Norway homepage]

cheers
ed

[steve sheridan]

Hi Ed,
could you possibly help with another loss from this unit, lost in the murmansk area 4.42.
JU88A-4 4D+DA W.Nr 1776, looking for crew details and date of loss.

Any help would be most appreciated.

Best Regards,
Steve.

[Del Davis]

In response to Ed North's contention that the reason the letters are still visible is due to layers of paint I would say that he is probably correct. However when he states that there are are 3 paint layers he is incorrect. As Michael Ullman has pointed out on several occaisions the Luftwaffe adopted a single coat, self priming paint system. There was no primer layer under the 70/71 finish. The paint was an epoxy designed to cover in one coat.

[Knut Larsson]

Hello Steve

The aircraft you mentioned was lost on 26th Apr 1942.
It belonged to Erprobungsstaffel KG 30

Crewmembers:

Oblt. Helmut Afflerbach (FF)
Uffz. Konrad Lahmann (BO)
Uffz. Erwin Schalleck (BF)
Uffz. Heinz Reinke (BS)


Greetings from Norway

Knut Larsson



www.rafandluftwaffe.info

[Peter Achs]

Hi Ed,

the StKz of the Ju 88 C-4/0797 was DE+SS, not SK+QS.
From the end of 1941 to Jan. 1942 Junkers rebuilt the aircraft to a so-called „Afflebach-Zerstörer“ (Afflebach-Destroyer), flights at Dessau in Jan.-Febr. 1942, acceptance flight on 13 Febr. 1942

Regards
Peter

[edNorth]

Hi all;

Thanks Peter for correction on that C-4/0797 was re-built / converted to C-4 etc., ´my´ code was ´interpolated´ from nearest known before ( and still in brackets), but interestingly this has same last letter? I know you are expert on these - and I am still a way off on finding out them all - but working hard!

Regarding number of layers Davis may be correct (generally), but the point taken by me was ´to explain´ to Modeldad ´why´ the codes still show (it´s called ´Weathering´ - and we get lot of it here in this country - f.e. 40 kts or more wih heavy rain is forecast for this evening and tomorrow; unusual for middle of summer!) but not the exact number of layers, where I may probably be wrong. I myself however have about two meters from my computer an original fuselage panel with longeron stringers and all - off an Ju 88 D-5; It has FOUR or MORE layers. But there is also two sets of codes! Both Stkz and Vbkz. I will have to have an expert examine the paint to see if it really is Epoxy? but I can count the layers myself; but consider this: If Stkz codes were painted in non-washable paint OVER the camouflage of RLM 70/71, then painted over with RLM 02 and then repainted in black... ; then you have at least three or four layers, v.s. ´single layer´ of camouflage : The RLM 70/71 camouflage is long, long, gone before the codes vanish.

Yes; I know ´First Flight´ codes were supposed to be painted with whash-able paint, but I have noticed in numerous photos that old codes were overpainted and then new applied... Note: 0797 was ´old´ and then re-built...

I just goes to show that you may never be exactly shure about anything Luftwaffe...

cheers
ed

Addenda: I have now counted the layers on my panel (left side of fuselage, forwards of cross):

1. Chemical treated aluminum (grayish ; not primer)

2. Camouflage RLM 70/71, with brittle like glass cracks just as Epoxy?

3. Code ´N´ (xN+xx)

4. Likely also 72/73 over it but can be RLM 02

5. Code ´6´ (A6+CH)

6. RLM 02 !



Conclusion : minimum of four layers of paint, possibly up to six....