Lookin for info: Crash of Herbert Altner (8./NJG 5), 9 September 1943

[ChristianK]

Gentlemen, I am looking for the Werknummer of the Bf 110 G "C9+BS" in which Lt. Herbert Altner of 8./NJG 5 crashed on 6 September 1943 during a ferry flight. Also, is it known how many kills Altner had on his score at this time?

Cheers,
Christian

[Leo Etgen]

Hello Christian

I was only able to find the following loss of NJG 5 on that date.

9 September 1943: Bf 110 G-4 (W.Nr. 5437) of 2./NJG 5 suffered explosion in right wing over Stendal on non-combat flight, 40%

Note that this is an aircraft of 2./NJG 5 and not 8./NJG 5. I can add that he had recorded two victories by this time. Hopefully someone else can add more about the aircraft he was flying on 9 September 1943.

Horrido!

Leo

[ChristianK]

Hi Leo, thanks for the info. Initially my information came from "Zwischen Leipzig und der Mulde. Flugplatz Brandis 1935-1945" by Stephen Ransom. Maybe 9 September 1943 is the wrong date, as Ransom let some inaccuracies like these slip through in his book..

[Laurent Rizzotti]

At this time Herbert Altner was an Ofw., not a Lt, and he had two victories (scored on 19 Aug 42 and 19 Feb 43). His third victory was on 9 Oct 43.

[ChristianK]

See what I was talking about? Thanks Laurent for setting this straight!

[RT]

The "accident" occured indeed on 6.September Belly landing caused by

"Motorbrand kriminelle" plane sustained a 15 % damage , place Pomßen time 23h41 after 50 mn of flight, that was an operational flight "Einsatz" no Wn known

On 10.Okt 43 he scored his 51. nd 52. successes a B17 by day +...

Remi

all coming from the mouth of the horse

[ChristianK]

Ok, thank you too Remi! (But 51st and 52nd victory is a typo?)

[RT]

Some amendments reading more accuratly his log-book it seems that some "Einsätze" were real op.flights other not, so the one of the 5.sept. was one his 50., but not the 6.Sept. one, could hv to do also with what is really counted as an op. against foe, when you see it or...

Next the 51. on 8.th oct. the 52. on 9.oct where he scored by day a B17 Ssomething like his 3.victory

Sorry

Remi

[ChristianK]

Ah ok, you meant "missions/Einsätze". Sorry I didn't get that