Spitfire K9820 and others.

[Alex Smart]

Hello All,
thank you for the fullest possible replies.
Much apreciated.
From what we now have, or rather have not,

16-01-39 - K9820 no name.
18-04-39 - K9798 no name.
09-05-39 - K9859 no name.
24-01-40 - K9811 no name.
07-03-40 - K9800 no name.
28-05-40 - K9821 no name.

To this list I would like to add the following.
24-03-41 - P7429 no name, pilot baled following collision Fowlmere.
31-07-41 - P7425 no name, pilot baled Albury, Herts.
05-09-41 - P8277 no name, a/c overshot hit hedge Matlask.
12-10-41 - P7971 no name, a/c undershot at night & hit trees Horstead Hall, 1m SW of Coltishall.
02-11-41 - P8384 no name, pilot baled low altitude Manor Farm, Wood Norton, Norfolk.

To round off, I have seen in FCL vol 1 and also in the revised vol that for the 27th May 1940, N3237 has P/O. Wilson as pilot who DoW. But should it be P/O. P.V. Watson or was he in another Spitfire who's serial as yet remains unknown ?
Derek Palmers book does not mention P/O. Wilson in the Roll of Honour pages except for a Lieutenant C. L. Wilson (1919).

Many thanks,
Alex

[paulmcmillan]

16-01-39 - K9820 no name. -> This was P/O A.I.Robinson. Night landing. Landed in bad visibility, retracted u/c to avoid overshoot. Skidded on nose

[paulmcmillan]

24-01-40 - K9811 no name - Can't help with 24-01-40 but are you aware this Landed with u/c not fully locked down on 29.8.39 when flown by P/O M.D.Lyne (his first solo on type) at Duxford and repaired on site?

[paulmcmillan]

07-03-40 - K9800 Sorry can't help but I have two addition accidents for this



19 Sqn Duxford. Cat C. Night landings. Heavy landing u/c collapsed 13.1.39, F/O A.J.Banham.

19 Sqn Duxford Cat C. First solo on type. Undershot and struck building inside boundary of drome 29.8.39, P/O J.H.Bowring.

[paulmcmillan]

28-05-40 - K9821 no name.

Sorry but this had a minor collison in the air with K9854 (flown by P/O GE BALL) on 6.10.39 while being flown by F/O WG CLOUSTON

Both aircraft force landed at Newmarked race course amd pilots OK

[paulmcmillan]

However can help with some others

24-03-41 - P7429 no name, pilot baled following collision Fowlmere.
Collided in air with P7379 near Fowlmere P/O Anderson safe;

31-07-41 - P7425 no name, pilot baled Albury, Herts
Blacked out during aerobatics not sure of altitude onrecovery and baled out.Sgt RJ Howard 1181687

05-09-41 - P8277 no name, a/c overshot hit hedge Matlask
Landed downwind and overshot. Touched down on brow of hill,
approached too high and too fast, hit boundary hedge. Sgt NM Moore R74456 injured.

12-10-41 - P7971 no name, a/c undershot at night & hit trees Horstead Hall, 1m SW of Coltishall.
Undershot, approached too low and hit trees Sgt LG Edwards R69087(Can) injured.

02-11-41 - P8384 no name, pilot baled low altitude Manor Farm, Wood Norton, Norfolk.
Ccrashed Manor Farm, Woodnorth, 8 mls north of Swanton Morley Cat A.First flight ontype. Pilot evidently ran into bad weather which he failed togetoutof. He lost orientation and baled out at about 200 ft parachute part open. P/O HJ Thiele 404892(Aus)ok.

[paulmcmillan]

Finally

N3237 was P/O PV WATSON #41637 killed(died 28.5.40, buried at Calais Canadian, France)

[Alex Smart]

Hello Paul,
Many thanks for your support and for the replies.

To confirm that I understand correctly.
16-01-39 - K9820 - P/O. A. I. Robinson.

18-04-39 - K9798 - still unknown.

09-05-39 - K9759 - still unknown.

24-01-40 - K9811 - still unknown, a/c ran out of fuel while lost and bellylanded, Clare, Suffolk, SoC 06-02-40, but a previous accident on 29-08-39 with P/O. M. D. Lyne on 1st solo. (K file does not note this earlier event).

07-03-40 - K9800 - Still unknown, hit bump and u/c leg collapsed on landing, Duxford. (K file goes on to say - AST 18.3.40; 8 MU 5.40; 5 OTU 14.7.40; 7 OTU 21.8.40, became 57 OTU 1.11.40; damaged 16.11.40; AST 22.11.40; 37 MU 15.2.41; 1 AAS 28.3.41; to 3277M 26.11.41 at 10 S of TT; SoC 18.5.44). but no note of the two 1939 accidents. So a rather accident prone a/c. Anything on pilot 16/11/40 ?

28-05-40 - K9821 - Still unknown, u/c jammed, bellylanded Duxford. ( K file goes on to say DBF in accident 20.7.41.) no note on the 6-10-39 collision, but it is in Derek Palmers book with photo of Clouston with a tail chewed K9854.

24-03-41 - P7429 - P/O. Anderson. in collision with P7379 piloted by Sgt. Charnock.
31-07-41 - P7425 - Sgt. R.J. Howard.
05-09-41 - P8277 - Sgt. N. M. Moore.
12-10-41 - P7971 - Sgt. L. G. Edwards.
02-11-41 - P8384 - P/O. H. J. Thiele.

And N3237 - P/O. P. V. Watson.

Wonderful response.
Again many thanks
Alex

[Alex Smart]

Hello,
Thank you for the earlier replies.
Now to continue.

19 Sqdn
1942
1st April - AD377 - pilot ?
26th April - BL316 - pilot ? a/c damaged.
16th May - AD476 - pilot ?
6th or 2nd December - EP749 - P/O. L.M. M. Ciechamowsik + a/c hit hill Mary Tavy, Devon.
1943
15th March - EP715 - pilot ? c/l Sherborne in Dorset.

Thanks
Alex

[David Sumerauer]

Hello Alex, two more identified.



16-05-1942 Supermarine Spitfire Vb AD476 (QV-?), 19 Sqn based at RAF Perranporth hit a fuel bowser while taxying, injuring the pilot Sgt Josef Sokol (Czech), RAF No.: 787523/149566 (KIFA 17/07/1946)

01-04-1942 Supermarine Spitfire Vb AD377 (QV-?), 19 Sqn, aircraft wrecked during forced landing due to engine failure injuring the pilot F/O Rudolf Borovec (Czech), RAF No.: 81885 (killed in ground combat 09/11/1944 in Slovakia as a member 1st Czechoslovak fighter regiment)



26-04-1942 Spitfire Vb AD514, F/Sgt Royer, category A flak damage, nothing on BL316


Kind regards.

David