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31st October 2010, 15:18
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17.12.1943 IV./JG 27
Dear All.
Accordig to Prien, on 17.12.1943 the IV./JG 27 had two combats. In the morning, 4 Me 109s clashed around Cape Rodonit with 5 Spitfire and lost 3 Me 109s G-6. In the afternoon, at about 15:00, 4 Me 109s fought with P 47s of the 57th FG near Metkovic and lost 2 Me 109s G-6 (the Americans claimed 3 Me 109s). Do you know who claimed the 3 Me-109s in the first combat? Best regards. Marco 
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31st October 2010, 17:51
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Re: 17.12.1943 IV./JG 27
Hallo Marco,
Frank Olynyk in his "USAAF (Mediterranean Theater) Credits for the Destruction of Enemy Aircraft in Air-to-Air Combat World War 2" only lists the evening combat. The only other USAAF claim that day was for a Ju 88 damaged by the 350th FG. The morning combat must have been with the RAF ? Hope this helps, Martin Gleeson.
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31st October 2010, 18:28
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Re: 17.12.1943 IV./JG 27
Marco,
Between 0745 and 1100, 249 Sqn claimed 2 Me-109s at the river mouth near Rozge, as squadron victories (individual credits not given). At 0950, F/Lt WE Schrader (RNAZF) of 1435 Sqn claimed 2 Me-109s in the Gulf of Drin. At 1000, S/Ldr R Webb (RNZAF) and F/Sgt ASP Butler each claimed a Me-109, also in the Gulf of Drin. Enjoy! Frank.
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2nd November 2010, 21:04
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Re: 17.12.1943 IV./JG 27
Hi,
according to "249 at War" by Brian Cull pp 176 249 did not make any claims on this day! The 2 109's claimed initially were by 2 pilots from 1435 Squadron and seem probably to have been Lt.Holgar Lumerding in Bf.109G-2 (14188) and Fhr.Friedrich Thiel in Bf.109G-6 (140248) both of 10/JG27 both who were lost over Cape Rodoni. A further 2 more 109's were claimed by1435 Squadron pilots shortly after this action. Also on this date 3 more JG27 pilotts were lost :- Hpt Joachim Kirschner of Stab.IV/JG27 Lt.Rolf Hiessler of II/JG27 Uffz.Rolf Andre of I/JG27 however these 3 were noted as lost over the Balkans and were likely the victims of the 57th FG Cheers Bruce Lander
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2nd November 2010, 21:58
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Re: 17.12.1943 IV./JG 27
Hi,
correction - Andre was of II/JG27 Cheers Bruce Lander
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