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1./196 Claims
I have just obtained a sheet entitled 1./Bordflieger Gr 196 Abschussubersicht and lists the following claims:
1. 15 Aug 40 1807 hrs 2. 2 Jan 42 1455 hrs 3. 17 May 42 2008 hrs 4. 1 Jul 43 1510 hrs Can anyone substantiate these claims before I post on the Allied Board for Allied losses? 15 Aug 40 matches well with the combat between Hptm Gerrit Wiegmink/LtzS Dieter Schlenker and 266 Sqn whilst 2 Jan 42 looks like P8722/602 Sqn which was lost attacking He 114s off Le Treport at 1400 hrs Last edited by Chris Goss; 27th April 2016 at 19:22. |
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Re: 1./196 Claims
Hi Chris
These appear on the micro films with date and time only, doesn't even give which front. However the latter should read 1st July 1941 at 1510 hrs not 1943 which would have appeared on the daily micro film entries. I also give the unit as 1./BFGr.196. I have ten similar claims for 5./BFGr.196 if your interested? Kind Regards Johannes |
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Re: 1./196 Claims
Johannes
I too though it was 1941 not 1943 which puzzled me why it was out of sequence in the list. This might now refer to the loss of a 206 Sqn Hudson. I have 9 claims by 5./196 between 21 Jun 42 and 29 Jan 43 (most with no names of the successful pilot apart from Jost, Wurm and Techam) so would be most interested to compare |
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Re: 1./196 Claims
Another possible for the 1 Jul 41 : Stirling N6013 MG°A no.7 Sqn
http://www.flensted.eu.com/194108.shtml |
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Re: 1./196 Claims
Hi Chris
In date order, again date and time only:- 17th August 1941 1030 hrs 21st June 1942 2027 hrs 10th July 1942 2059 hrs 10th July 1942 2115 hrs 12th July 1942 0810 hrs 14th July 1942 2022 hrs 3rd August 1942 0805 hrs 13th August 1942 2010 hrs 18th August 1942 1055 hrs 6th September 1942 1926 hrs Kind Regards Johannes P.S Please do indicate which are Spitfires? |
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Re: 1./196 Claims
Hello
According to this site, the 206 Sqn Hudson could have been shot down by a He 111 of I./KG 40 flown by Ltn Wilhelm Schmitter. http://aufhimmelzuhause.com/id101.htm Quote:
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Re: 1./196 Claims
Currently away for 10 days & will reply in full then
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Re: 1./196 Claims
Johannes
17th August 1941 1030 hrs- Nothing 21st June 1942 2027 hrs-Sunderland W3999/Y 10 Sqn 10th July 1942 2059 hrs- Nothing 10th July 1942 2115 hrs- Nothing 12th July 1942 0810 hrs- Whitley Z9511/O 51 Sqn by Ofw Friedrich Jost 14th July 1942 2022 hrs-Catalina AH545/119 Sqn by Hptm Werner Techam 3rd August 1942 0805 hrs-Whitley Z9119/51 Sqn 13th August 1942 2010 hrs-Nothing but I do have a possible claim by 3(F)/123 18th August 1942 1055 hrs-Wellington DV665/B of 311 Sqn by Ofw Friedrich Jost. Could have also been claimed bu Oblt Bruno Stolle of 8./JG 2 at 1108 hrs 6th September 1942 1926 hrs-Whitley Z9387/51 Sqn I also have claims on 30 Jul 42 (Sunderland W3994/10 Sqn by Hptm Techam) 9 Aug 42 (Sunderland W4019/10 Sqn) 29 Jan 43 (Boston AL278/226 Sqn by Oblt Heinz Wurm). In respect of the 1./196 list, 1 Jul 41 looks likely but I am a bit puzzled as I have Oblt Erich Stav being the BO and Ofw Stürtz being the FF (possibly Werner Stürtz ?). St Kap was Hptm Hans Jürgen Schmidt Last edited by Chris Goss; 9th May 2016 at 13:39. |
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