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Old 6th November 2017, 12:39
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Re: wreck identification - engine pictures

Hi Snautzer,

There is a possibility that that plane is the one who was shot down near Perpignan by allied aircraft while returning owing technical problems from the UGS-40 attack on 11th may 1944.
See this post: http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=49479

See was Nick wrote : The 16 Ju 88s were the losses reported from the attacking force in Luftflotte 3's after-action report (and another seven broke off early with technical problems).

The lost shadower isn't included in that report but in another from Fliegerdiv. 2:
Recce: of the 13 recce aircraft operating from 3 degrees 30 minutes west at irregular intervals, with main emphasis on night recce, only three brought in correct results for conduct of attack, two by day (one P/R) and one by night (with apparatus). Five aircraft broke off task before reaching objective owing technical trouble. One aircraft missing. One further aircraft shot down in sea off Perpignan by Allied aircraft. Remaining aircraft brought back no interpretable results.
If you want to see the ULTRAs that the account in the book was based on, they are KV 3786, KV 3920 and KV 3921. All are on file DEFE3/155 and can be viewed or downloaded free at the National Archives website.
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Old 6th November 2017, 12:51
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Re: wreck identification - engine pictures

I do not think the weck is a Junkers
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Old 6th November 2017, 13:09
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But in the Defe microfilm it isn't said that the plane is a JU. There were also HE and DO in the ugs-40 attack.

I found somewhere else :
Am 11. Mai wurde erneut ein UGS-Konvoi erfasst. Insgesamt 62 Flugzeuge der I. und III./KG 26 sowie der I./ und III./KG 77 griffen den Geleitzug UGS 40 in vier Angriffswellen an. Ein Teil der Angreifer wurde von landgestützten alliierten Jagdflugzeugen vom Typ Beaufighter abgefangen, die 19 Torpedoflugzeuge abschossen.

so the attacking group was from 1st and 3rd group from KG 26 and KG 77. Do you know if there was some dornier planes in those groups?

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Old 6th November 2017, 14:44
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I think the only way to concluded positively this is to have someone go done there with some good lighting and high res camera.
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Old 6th November 2017, 15:00
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Re: wreck identification - engine pictures

Unfortunately this video was taken years ago, today the only remains are the epinephelus pics, the plate is gone since years in som fish net!

Maybe someone could "mark" on the epinephelus photo the famous "engine mounts" dear to Bronc, so we can measure them and take some new pics? I don't get where they are...

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Old 8th November 2017, 23:54
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Re: wreck identification - engine pictures

Hi,

Here are some photos of a piece stuck in the bottom just next to the wreck.
Any ideas of what it is ? From which plane ? Or not enough details to formulate some hypothesis ?
Two years separate those two pics. 2015 and 2017. This device was pulled by some fishnet, but resisted. The hidden part in the sand must be big...
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Old 9th November 2017, 02:23
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Re: wreck identification - engine pictures

Might fit "Do 217" undercarrriage, narrow rear support and remains of wheel cover - all badly corruded/covered in Growth (tyre buried underneath, hooked in oleo?)
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Old 28th November 2017, 09:33
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Hi,

We went back on the wreck despite bad weather conditions. It has been partly buried since the last dive. We have removed some sand around the mysterious piece. We have not found a tyre, but there is another part with curved pieces below. The straight stick is about 70 cm long and the curved pieces are about 40 cm.

I have measured the angle of the wing before and after the engine and it is about 165°. It doesn't fit perfectly with those measured on a basic ju88 plan (170°), but there is a possible variation due to the degraded state of the wing. Based on this observation, it could not be a Do 217? Another posibility intead of a Ju88?
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Old 28th November 2017, 11:38
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Re: wreck identification - engine pictures

Bronc would be upset as you don't provide a scale...

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Old 28th November 2017, 15:58
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Re: wreck identification - engine pictures

Hi,

The mystery device looks more like a farming tool (cultivator frame), maybe not part of the aircraft.

But the good point is that it exists an angle. And 5 degrees can be in the average error range, no? The fact is that there is an angle (thanks little shells!), so Do-217 hypothesis can be forgotten. Can someone confirm a Ju or is it still too hypothetic?

thanks,

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