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Old 5th February 2023, 08:58
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Question 4./NJG 100 on 04/05/1945

Hello

3 Ju.88 were shot down by US fighters during a transfer flight to Prag in the morning.

Arnberg (in germany? or Austria?)
Sankt Oswald (idem)
Netolice (Tchekie)

I am interested in the identity of the claimants and the victims.

Thanks in advance

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Old 5th February 2023, 12:02
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Re: 4./NJG 100 on 04/05/1945

Bonjour Michel

Apparently NO CLAIMS recorded on the 4th May 1945 (see pg.305) in ETO on this day

https://www.afhra.af.mil/Portals/16/...090601-121.pdf

LAST claim on MTO is recorded on the 24-04-1945 (pg.340)

So....maybe AA fire was the cause?

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Old 5th February 2023, 12:05
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Re: 4./NJG 100 on 04/05/1945

I have claims for Ju 88s at Arbing, Landwiesen and NE of Linz
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Re: 4./NJG 100 on 04/05/1945

Could you post or add the claimants (name, rank, unit) here please Chris?
Who made the claims and why they are not on the official list of victories of the US Air Force?
Maybe RAF?
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Re: 4./NJG 100 on 04/05/1945

Maj Ralph C Jenkins 510 FS (Arbing & Landwiesen) & 1/Lt Glen B Gremillion 162 RS (8 mile NE Linz)
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Re: 4./NJG 100 on 04/05/1945

Thanks Chris.

Michel: For the claim (without firing) of 1/Lt Gremillion I suggest you pag.168 of the book "Aerial Reconaissance" by Tom G. Ivie, which describe that the Ju 88 belly-landed on seeing the F-6 Mustang. It was reported as being a "cream-colored Ju 88" "...with black crosses on the wing and a Swastika on the tail".

I can send you the relevant scanned page you need.

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Re: 4./NJG 100 on 04/05/1945

Just for curiosity...the "Official" list of claims do give Gremillion a sole claim but on 04-04-1945 (not on 4th May), on page 83 and pg.300 of the relevant PDF file.

So, maybe he was NOT officially credited with the victory on the 4th May 1945....
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Re: 4./NJG 100 on 04/05/1945

The source is the late Frank Olynyk's magnus opus which states 1030hrs on 4 May 45 and with the war going for another 4 days, I wonder if anyone recorded the details of these losses
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Re: 4./NJG 100 on 04/05/1945

Hello Michel,

the claims what you are looking for are the following:

4./NJG 100 / Junkers Ju 88 G-6 / # 621506 / Transfer Flight from Raffelding b. Linz -> Prag / Shot down by P-47 Thunderbolts - 405th Fighter Group - 9th USAAF / Crashed near Netolice, 23 Km northwest of Budweis - Protektorat Böhmen und Mähren / Crew bailed out - 1 wounded

4./NJG 100 / Junkers Ju 88 G-6 / Transfer Flight from Raffelding b. Linz -> Prag / Attack by P-47 Thunderbolts - 405th Fighter Group - 9th USAAF / Crashlanding near Untermarreith, 4 km east-northeast Sankt Oswald bei Freistadt, 35 km north-northeast Linz (Oberösterreich) - Austria / Oberfeldwebel Helmut Lusky (P) - slightly wounded / Unteroffizier Wolfgang Mayr - wounded / Feldwebel Hanns Bumbl + Unteroffiziuer Rudi Wokittel - seriously wounded

5./NJG 100 / Junkers Ju 88 G-6 / Transfer Flight from Raffelding b. Linz -> Prag / Shot down by P-51 - Lieutenant Glenn B. Gremillion - 162nd Rcn. Sqn. / Crashed into a Wood near Arnberg, 1 Km north-northwest of Wartberg-ob-der-Aist, 15 km eat-northeast of Linz (Oberösterreich) - Austria / Feldwebel Heinz Stägemann (Bf) - killed / Rest of the Crew unknown - presumed Missing/Killed

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Re: 4./NJG 100 on 04/05/1945

And to top it off a further Victim of the 405th Fighter Group at May 4th 1945:

Führer - Kurierstaffel / Junkers Ju 52/3m / Attack by P-47 Thunderbolt - Lieutenant Sides - 405th Fighter Group in the Steyregg Area / The Plane hits a high-voltage power line and crashes near the transformer Station of Holzwinden, east of Linz (Oberösterreich) - Austria / Oberfeldwebel Karl Scherbaum (P) + Oberfeldwebel Rolf Schuster + Unteroffizier Fritz Wölfel + Unteroffizier Hermann Handt - all killed
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