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Re: Post 8th May 45 Shoot downs by Luftwaffe
13th Guards, 14th Guards, 9th, 12th, 21st, 3rd Guards and partially the 4th Guards naval air regiments.
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Re: Post 8th May 45 Shoot downs by Luftwaffe
The first information come from book Werner Haupt "Die letzte Front, Schicksal f. 2 Armeen ", 4th edition, 1964. P 112. This book used Morzik in his resarch book.
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Re: Post 8th May 45 Shoot downs by Luftwaffe
I ran across this claim by Russian ace Kapt. Aleksandr Georgievich Allatov of the 4 GIAP KBF for the 08May45 NW of Libau, 1/6 Ju-52. Seems like a little over kill for a Ju-52.
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Re: Post 8th May 45 Shoot downs by Luftwaffe
This link has a lot of data (in French, but should also be available somewhere in German or English) about Courland on 8 May 1945:
http://www.luftfahrtverlag-start.de/...anzoesisch.pdf Not quite as dramatic as Kurowski (33 aircraft shot down, 0 survivor....) but certainly worth to read. |
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Re: Post 8th May 45 Shoot downs by Luftwaffe
Hi guys
In my notes I have the following post 8 May 1945 incidents: 9 May: Ju88 from possibly II/KG200 (144032) attacked and damaged by FAA fighters over Skagerrak 9 May: Spitfire XI RM142 shot down by ships' gunfire over Baltic 11 May: Anson PH539 force-landed near Garz following attack by three fighters (Soviet?) Cheers Brian |
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Hi Brian,
Re: 11-5-1945 Anson PH539: 11-5-1945 Desert Air Force Communication Flight. Anson XII PH539 Attacked by three Yak fighters while off course, force-landed in a field and struck trees, near Graz, Austria. AUS416580 P/O Mervyn Ross JACOBS RAAF 654197 LAC D GOODALL 961071 LAC C H SINKINS Apparently all survived. The Anson File/Sturtivant p.128 plus... http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/Item...?M=0&B=1070821 NFD Col. |
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Re: Post 8th May 45 Shoot downs by Luftwaffe
US post-8 May 1945 victim of Soviet fighters:
This "friedly" fire accident took place on 9 May 1945 over Prague-Ruzyne aerodrome, Czechoslovakia. The case is in fact unknown, and if not for witness memories that started the unravelling of this mystery, it would be totally forgotten by now. A thorough research in both American and Russian archives has shown that this incident had been preceded the day before by another shooting down of an American aircraft from the same unit over Saxony in Germany. American Lockheed F-5 photo-recco planes (unarmed version of the famous Lockheed P-38 Lightning fighter plane) of the 39th Photographic Reconnaissance Squadron/10th Photographic Group, belonging to the 9th U.S. Air Force were then operating from Y-10 airfield in Wiesbaden, Germany. On 8 May 1945, the unit was on a Prisoner-of-War Camp Pin-Pointing Mission in Dresden airspace, i.e. in the area recently seized by Soviet troops. Several Soviet Yak fighters of the 106th Guards Fighter Air Regiment from Cottbus airfield attacked Captain Malcolm L. Nash. Second Lieutenant Lazuta wrongly took Nash´s F-5E for a German Focke Wulf Fw 189 (twin-fuselage plane like F-5), and shot it down in Reichenbach area, approx. 40 kilometres West of Dresden. Captain Nash made a belly landing in the field. Though himself escaping serious injury his F-5E was totally demolished. On the next day, 9 May 1945 afternoon, the 39th Photo-Recco Squadron sent six F-5s to search for the missing Capt. Nash. Two of the F-5s piloted by 1/Lt Thomas P. Petrus and 2/Lt. Thomas Jackson, flew as far as Prague. By coincidence, this happened when six Soviet American built Bell P-39 Airacobras patrolled the area. They were part of the 100th Guards Fighter Air Regiment (part of the renowned 9th Guards Fighter Air Division led by famous ace, Colonel Alexander I. Pokryschkin), operating from Neuhausen airfi eld (10 km South-East of Cottbus). Soviet fi ghters covered Soviet tanks advancing to Prague, and one of them, Major Vasilyi A. Pschenitchnikov, took the American twin-fuselage F-5 for a German Fw 189. In three machine-gun rounds, he shot down the plane that went down in flames on the Northwestern part of Prague, nearby the Ruzyně airfield. While 1/Lt Petrus, suffering heavy burns, saved his life on parachute, Maj. Pschenitchnikov on his return added to his score the kill of „Fw 189“, his thirteenth and the last WW2 kill. The sad irony of all this remains: the last „German“ aircraft shot down over Prague was in fact an Allied one. Even more paradoxical is the fact that the last American plane shot down in European Theatre was not only shot by an Allied pilot but also by an U.S. made aircraft, one of the many supplied by Americans to Soviets under the Lend-Lease Act. English summary from the article: Jiri Rajlich: Zapomenutý incident nad Ruzyní 9. května 1945. Historie a vojenstvi, No 3/2008, pp. 24-34. |
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Re: Post 8th May 45 Shoot downs by Luftwaffe
Just happened to see Jiris answer today - thanks a lot for that concluding information! So in the end they were Soviet fighters attacking the American planes...
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Re: Post 8th May 45 Shoot downs by Luftwaffe
It is probable that Anson XII PH539 of Desert Air Force Communication Flight "attacked by three Yak fighters off Wolfsberg near Graz, Austria" on 11 May 1945 was in fact shot down by three Soviet La-7 fighters of 848 IAP (194 IAD, 17. VA).
That evening on 11 May 1945 three Soviet pilots of 848 IAP led by 2/Lt N. N. Olejnik claimed two Ju 52s as shot down in flames in 27 km W. of Graz and 12 km NW of Graz respectively. |
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Re: Post 8th May 45 Shoot downs by Luftwaffe
It's pure speculation that 35 Ju 52 came from Norway to Curland. Most of the Ju 52 counted 5, may, were still there 10 may when counted again.
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