II.(Schlacht)Lehrgeschwader 2

[steven1]

Hello

I am looking for any information on this unit and what type of aircraft
they were using in September 1941.

Also any information on a Gefreiten Heinrich Golz who served in this unit.

thanks in advance.

[Tim O.]

Hi Steven

de Zeng and Stankey say this unit was not formed until 13th January 1942 (in Lippstadt) with the Hs123 and Hs129.

Best wishes
Tim O.

[hucks216]

II/LG-2... http://www.ww2.dk/air/lehr/lg2.htm

[Jim P.]

There are recorded Hs 123 losses for II.(Schl)/LG 2 starting at the beginning of the campaign in Poland through to the middle of Jun-40 and then, after a pause during the BoB, starting again in Apr-41. The last reported loss was for a 6.(Schl)/LG 2 Hs 123 on 6-Oct-41. The majority of Hs 123 losses from 22-Jun-41 through mid-Jan-42 are for 10.(Schl.)/LG 2. There were no Hs 129 combat losses for II.(Schl.)/LG 2. (There was a single Hs 129 loss in Germany for II.(S)/LG 2 in Dec-40.)

The first recorded loss in a war zone for the Hs 129 was in the Soviet Union in May-42 with 5./Schl.G. 1. After mid-Jan-42 all Hs 123 combat losses are for Schl.G. 1.

[Larry deZeng]

Hi Tim O. -

I don't know where you got that from, but it wasn't from my pen. I think you may have gotten it mixed up with II./Schlachtgeschwader 2, which was an entirely different unit. Here is the right one that steven1 is looking for:


II.(Schlacht)/LG 2


Formation and Early History. (Nov 38 - Aug 39)
Formed 1 November 1938 at Tutow/near Demmin in N Germany by renaming Gruppenstab, 1. and 2.Staffel of Fliegergruppe 40 and one Staffel from Fliegergruppe 20. Equipped with Heinkel He 45s, replacing these with Henschel Hs 123s in early 1939.

Polish Campaign and Standby in the West. (Sep 39 - Apr 40)
Sep 39: transferred from Tutow to Altsiedel/20 km SE of Oppeln in Silesia by 1 Sep for assignment to Fliegerführer z.b.V./Luftflotte 4 with 39(39) Hs 123s, and flew World War II's first ground support mission on the first day of hostilities. Moved forward with XVI.Korps/AOK 10 and participated in the battles of encirclement at Radom, where from 8 to 10 September the Gruppe participated in the destruction of a Polish Army in a forest area around Ilza, and along the Bzura River to the west of Warsaw. On 13 September Gruppenkommandeur Maj. Spielvogel failed to return from a Fi 156 reconnaissance sortie along the front and was reported missing (later amended to KIA) On conclusion of operations in Poland, transferred west to Braunschweig in N Germany to train and stand by for forthcoming operations.

Attack on France and the Low Countries. (May 40 - Jun 40)
4 May 40: 1 killed and 9 wounded when a bomb accidently detonated during final preparations for offensive action.
10 May 40: at Lauffenberg/near Neuss under VIII.Fliegerkorps/Lfl.2 with 49(38) Hs 123As. (Note: the airfield “Lauffenberg” or “Laufenberg” is ill-defined and may actually be Neuss-Kaarst). Supported the advance of the Panzer divisions assigned to AOK 6 into Belgium, taking part in the decisive battles around Maastricht and Eben Emael, with station at St.Trond-Duras by mid-May. At Eben Emael on 10 May, the Gruppe and elements of St.G.2 chewed up an infantry division that attempted to relieve the fort’s garrison and prevented it from getting through. Ordered south to Guise/25 km ENE of St-Quentin to support the drive by XIX.Pz.Korps across the Meuse and the fighting around Sedan, Liège and Namur. On 14 May, a Hs 123 was shot up by AA fire near Tirlemont and reduced to salvage. Transferred to Cambrai on 21 May, and shortly after arrival credited with the destruction of nearly 40 French tanks and supporting infantry that were massing north of Cambrai. On 22 May the Gruppe distinguished itself by helping to block a breakthrough by British tanks about 35 kilometers north of Arras. Remained active in the Dunkirk area over the next 10 days, mainly in support of Panzergruppe Kleist, flying from St-Pol as well as other forward airfields.
Jun 40: following operations around Dunkirk, advanced southwest toward Paris and into Normandy and Brittany in the final battles for France as a component of VIII.Fliegerkorps in support of Pz.Gr. Kleist, AOK 6 and AOK 9. One combat loss was reported on 5 June. On conclusion of the campaign on 22 June, ordered to Braunschweig- Waggum for conversion to the Bf 109E, then to Böblingen to begin fighter-bomber training

Air Offensive Against England (Battle of Britain). (Jul 40 - Mar 41)
13 Aug 40: at Böblingen for training at the Rohrau weapons range with 39(31) Bf 109E-7s, which concluded with a transfer to Calais-Marck on 4 September. Suffered first losses in the air offensive against England on 6 September, with two Bf 109E-7s shot down by fighters at Canterbury and off Herne Bay, followed by another over Ashford Kent on 14 September. A turning point was reached in the Battle of Britain on 15 September when the Luftwaffe suffered extraordinary losses, forcing it to shift the main effort to night bombing. Daylight operations after this date relied increasingly on nuisance raids along England's south coast by the fighter-bombers of II.(Schl.)/LG 2. On 7 October two 4.Staffel Bf 109E-4s were shot down by fighters over southern England during fighter-bomber sorties to London followed by two more on 29 October, these falling to Hurricanes during an attack on North Weald air base.
5 Dec 40: 4.Staffel lost its Staffelkapitän, Oblt. Heinz Vogeler, when he failed to return from an attack on Channel shipping, and Oblt. Viktor Kraft from the Gruppenstab was lost to a Spitfire on 11 December during a fighter-bomber sweep over Kent.
5 Feb 41: Bf 109E-4 crashed at Fp.Cognac in SW France, 100%, Staffelkapitän Oblt. Paul Widmann killed.
8 Feb 41: 5.Staffel lost a Bf 109E-7 to AA fire over RAF Station Hawkinge.
9 Mar 41: Bf 109E-7 bombed on ground during RAF raid on Fp.Calais-Marck, 100%.
15 Mar 41: Bf 109E-7 shot down by 3 Hurricanes flying convoy escort off Dungeness/Kent.

Balkan Campaign. (Apr 41 - May 41)
29 Mar 41: transferred from Calais-Marck to Bulgaria for the Balkan campaign via Köln-Butzweilerhof with station at Sofia- Bozhurishte under VIII.Fliegerkorps, with 29(23) Bf 109Es in two Staffeln and one Staffel of Hs 123As. Supported the advance through Serbia, Macedonia and into Greece, and on 26 April strafed ground targets and flew cover for the airborne and glider assault on the Corinth Canal by the Luftwaffe's 2d Parachute Regiment (Fallschirmjäger-Rgt. 2). By early May the Gruppe was at Molaoi/150 km SW of Athens.
Jun 41: ordered from Molaoi to Praschnitz (Przasnysz)/85 km N of Warsaw in northeast Poland in early June for the forthcoming invasion of Russia with subordination to VIII.Flg.Korps/Lfl.2.

Attack on the Soviet Union - Central and North Russia. (Jun 41 - Jan 42)
22 Jun 41: Praschnitz with 38(37) Bf 109Es attached to St.G.2, operated from Suwałki and Berzniki in support of AOK 9 and Pz.Gruppe 3 around Białystok for the initial advance into the Soviet Union.
5 Jul 41: moved forward to Sloboda for operations in the Minsk area.
6 Jul 41: ordered to Lepe1 to fly escort for I./St.G.2 Stukas.
8-11 Jul 41: lost two Bf 109E-7s in the Lepel-Vitebsk area supporting the drive toward Smolensk, moving to Vitebsk by 24 Jul.
3 Aug 41: transferred to the northern sector of the front with VIII.Flg.Korps and attached to Stab/JG 27
for employment, with action in the Dno - Staraya Russa area southwest of Lake Ilmen by 8 August.
25 Aug 41: based at Spaskaya/NNE Novgorod, where two Bf 109E-7s were destroyed on the ground in a Russia air attack. Moved to Lyuban/SE Leningrad by 29 August, and at the end of September transferred from Lyuban back to the central sector with VIII.Flg.Korps for the attack on Moscow, flying direct support for the battles around Bryansk on 2 Oct.
Oct – Nov 41: moved to field strips at Belyy and Moshna a few days later for action around Vyazma and the offensive toward Kalinin. On 14 October 3 Bf 109E-7s were lost in heavy fighting in the Kalinin area, and 3 more damaged there on 18 October. At Ka1inin-South on 21-22 October where the Gruppe flew near round the clock attacks on Russian forces that had cut off and isolated 1.Pz.Div.; while there it also received orders to engage and shoot down every enemy plane encountered over the Ka1inin sector. Back at Be1yy on 24 October, but then returned to Ka1inin-Luchinovka by the end of the month.
Dec 41: by December the Gruppe was in support of the heavy defensive fighting along the entire front from Moscow northwest to Lake Ilmen that began with the Soviet counteroffensive on 5 Dec. Base changes were rapid and frequent as the Gruppe attempted to support the German retreat toward the west. On 13 December 4.Staffel (at least) was operating from Staraya Russa at the south end of Lake Ilmen.
6 Jan 42: now based at Dugino/ 65 km south of Rzhev, where it was renamed I./Schlachtgeschwader 1 on 13 January 1942.


FpNs: Gruppenstab (L 36352, L 34346)
4.Staffel (L 36533, L 35341)
5.Staffel (L 37154, L 35777)
6.Staffel (L 32907, L 36673)


Kommandeur:
Maj. Werner Spielvogel (1 Nov 38 - 13 Sep 39) KIA
Maj. Wolfgang Neudörffer (c 14 Sep 39 - 1 Dec 39)
Maj. Otto Weiss (RK, EL) (1 Dec 39 - 15 Oct 40)
Hptm. Egon Thiem (RK) (15 Oct 40 - 26 May 41)
Maj. Otto Weiss (RK, EL) (26 May 41 - 13 Jan 42)





© H.L. deZeng IV, 2003

[steven1]

Many thanks guys for the information, would I be right in saying the airman
I mentioned would have been flying a ME-109?

[Andreas Brekken]

Hi, all

With regards to your pilot flying a Bf 109 as he was a pilot in the II.(S)/L.G.2 the answer is 'could have'... and I will elaborate:

This unit operated a mix of Focke-Wulf FW 189, Messerschmitt Bf 109E and Henschel Hs 123 in the beginning of September 1941

The FW 189s were attached to the Gruppenstab which also had 2 Bf 109E on strength - the Bf 109Es were in 4., 5. and 6. Staffel, while the 10. Staffel had Hs 123.

The FW 189s were gone by September 27th (one being lost on September 22nd 1941), but depending on Staffel assignment your pilot could still be either flying a Bf 109 or a Hs 123.

Regards,
Andreas B

[steven1]

Hi andreas many thanks for the information if he had victories where is the best place to find out does tony wood still have a aite for looking up air victories

[Larry deZeng]

Andreas -

If Steven's man Heinrich Golz was listed in official papers or award documents as belonging to II.(Schlacht)/LG 2, then could he have been in 10.(Schl.)/LG 2? That Staffel did not organically belong to the Gruppe. Yes, it "tagged along" or accompanied the Gruppe during the campaign in Russia, but it was normally identified separately rather than as part of the Gruppe. Perhaps a fine point, but it may help to reduce the liklihood that he belonged to 10. Staffel.

Larry

[steven1]

Hi larry I have this guys iron cross 2nd class document

Steven

[Tim O.]

Hi Steven

de Zeng and Stankey say this unit was not formed until 13th January 1942 (in Lippstadt) with the Hs123 and Hs129.

Best wishes
Tim O.

Apologies Larry. My error.

I should have known better - especially as I also have documents for a man from II.(Schlacht)/LG2. Very embarrassing!

My man was with 4. Staffel and shot down over England in a Bf109 on 29th October 1940 while attacking North Weald airfield. He was taken prisoner.

Again apologies for my addled brain.

Best wishes
Tim O.

[ouidjat]

Gentlemen,

Sorry guys but some times to times I can be very stupid!
Which unit are you talking about?
One fellow member is asking for something, others are trying to answer but 89% of TOCH quiet members are reading too, saying nothing.
So:
II.(S)/LG 2 or II./Sch.G 2 ????
Which is not - I think ; but I can be wrong too - exactly the same situation: in time, duty, and machines ...

Regards, Franck.

[Larry deZeng]

No problemo, Tim O. It is real easy to get some of these units mixed up. I know because it happens to me more than I care to admit!

Larry

[Andreas Brekken]

Hello, again.

Franck - sorry to cause confusion with my typo re unit designation in an earlier post!

Larry - I disagree with your notion that 10./LG 2 did not belong to the II.(S)/LG 2 with regards to organisation. I know you have written books on the ground attack units - but I believe you missed something here:

Quote from the Vortrag über die Einsatzbereitschaft der fligende Verbände Stand: 1.3.1941:


2. Veränderungen.

Bei der II./(Schl.) L.G. 2 ist die Aufstellung einer 4. Staffel mit einem Soll von 12 Hs 123 befohlen.

Übernahme der Flugzeuge ist noch nicht erfolgt.



As the following Staffeln already existed:

1., 2. and 3. Staffel under I.(Jagd)/LG 2
4., 5. and 6. Staffel under II.(Schl.)/LG 2
and
7., 8., and 9. Staffel under III.(Aufkl.)/LG 2

the new Staffel was given the Staffel designation 10.

This was a Staffel which was totally a part of II.(S)/LG 2 with regards to command structure, and reported as integral part of this unit.

Regards,
Andreas B

[Larry deZeng]

Hi Andreas,

I guess we will have to agree to disagree. A Vortrag (enunciation, i.e., announcement or proclamation) appended to an Einsatzbereitschaft der fligende Verbände report does not constitute an official order. That would have been issued by the Organisationsabteilung of the Genst. d.Lw. In fact, the Vortrag clearly says that such action had been "ordered" on or before 01.03.1941. But the devil is in the details and those would be found in the official Organisationsabteilung order that would direct in a number of pages how, why, where and when it would be carried out, list the KStNs involved and cover the assignment of a Feldpost number (if any).

I would find it strange if a new Staffel with an aircraft that was different from that flown by the rest of II. Gruppe and with an independent Staffel number was intended to be an integrated organic component of the Gruppe.

Until more documentary proof, such as the actual Organisationsabteilung order appears, I will continue to believe 10. Staffel was attached to II. Gruppe but was not an organic component of it. The German military was very methodical about things like this and this case would have been a major departure from the norm.

This is why Stankey and I treated 10.(Schlacht)/LG 2 separately in our book: lack of concrete proof that for some strange reason it was integrated into the Gruppe as a component of it.

Best,

Larry

[Andreas Brekken]

Well, mr deZeng.

It references the order...

Official Luftwaffe documentation on General Staff level thus exist and show that this Staffel was, for the entirety of its life under this designation, part of the II./(Schl.) L.G.2. It existed in the Bestandsmeldungen as an integral part of the unit and is dismissed as circumstantial? To me this just indicates that you have never studied or understood these primary sources.

And it is indeed very strange that almost every Vortrag, which is the introduction to the Bestandsmeldungen were close to every organizational change was reported, coincide with the official orders available in archives?

More quotes:



Stand der Einsatzbereitschaft am: 8.3.1941

Die bei der II.(Sch.)L.G.2 befohlene Aufstellung der 10.Staffel mit 12 Hs 123 ist in der Verechnung nicht berücksichtigt, da die Übernahme der Flugzeuge noch nicht erfolgt ist.




Stand der Einsatzbereitschaft am 22.3.1941

Sollerhöhung durch erstmalige Aufnahme der bei der II./(Sch.) L.G.2 aufgestellten Staffel mit 12 Hs 123



This latter quote which reference a Sollerhöhung - an increase of the number of aircraft officially appointed to a unit - which would not have been recorded if this was not a part of the unit. For example - units reported as Auf dem Kommandowege aufgestellt - would not result in a Sollerhöhung unless the final order for Etatisierung was given - of this there are several examples.

Have you studied Vfg.Gen.Qu.2.Abt. Nr.6025/42 g.Kdos.(IIA) of January 4th 1942 on the reorganization of the Kampf-, Stuka-, Schlacht- and Zerstörer units of the Luftwaffe?

But I won't bother with relaying further information which could enhance the quality of your work - it is obvious from your previous comment that you do not need assistance.

Regards,
Andreas B

[ouidjat]

Thank you Andreas. :)

@Steven1
On which document did you get this name (and unit), please?

Regards, Franck.

[Larry deZeng]

Andreas,

Your reply 0f 23.39 12 April is full of sneering, personal attack slurs so I will refrain from replying. That's what we are supposed to do on these forums to avoid flame wars or whatever they are called.

Regards,

Larry

[John Beaman]

Alright guys, let's just chill here.

There are times when we just need to agree to disagree and not get personal.

Given the paucity of Luftwaffe records, I am amazed we have as much as we do. Let's appreciate people's efforts.

Again, a basic rule of this forum: if you do not like the replies/postings, leave the thread alone.

[Andreas Brekken]

Hi, all and Larry especially.

Never ment to start a flame war - but I was probably a bit fired up by Larry's patronizing answer of April 12th 18:18 where I feel he more or less try in a very condescending fashion (as I read it) to get me (as you would talk to a child) to understand the workings of the Luftwaffe high command.

I have studied these issues for close to 20 years, and I feel I have a certain overview. I can definitely be wrong, Larry, and might have read something else into the answer than you really meant. If that is the case I am man enough to apologize.

I can not see that my latest answer is what you call full personal attacks?

The only thing I wanted to get through was to get a feedback with regards to you and mr Stankey having studied these additional sources which I found in a totally unrelated Reichsmarine folder years ago. I thought it would be interesting - if you still have an interest of furthering the understanding of these units.

There is one line in there were I state that as I understand it you are not interested in additional information being brought forward unless it is followed by the complete official Luftwaffe paper trail - and I hope you understand that your earlier post mentioned above does not really spur the enthusiasm with regards to using time and effort to bring knowledge to the community.

In my opinion it seems we are even... and can go on without any more hurt feelings!

And Larry - I have attached one of the strength reports of the II./(Schl.) LG 2. We can still disagree - but this is how the Luftwaffe General Staff saw the unit. Hopefully someone will come up with the original order with the full details you want in the future.

Regards,
Andreas B

[John Beaman]

Thank you Andreas.

You and Larry are two of the world's best in our peculiar field. Let's keep it going!

[Larry deZeng]

Andreas -

Alright, Andreas, now we are back on track. Sometimes things are lost in translation and even though they are well-meant, then can come out wrong at the other end. Let's drop everything except the subject at hand.

It is very probable that you have discovered items at BA-MA that I missed during my several two-week trips there nearly 25 years ago. As you said above, you found the Vorträge in a file one would no likely explore for Luftwaffe material. You were very fortunate to find those in that the Org.Abt. orders up to around mid-1943 seem to no longer exist, with a few exceptions here and there. At least that is what I found out for myself and what others have told me. Nor are they to be found in any archival repositories in Washington or Montgomery/Alabama in which I have spent months and months since 1977, about 15 years after I began researching the Luftwaffe.

As far as credentials are concerned, I don’t want to go through all of that again as I have posted it several times here on TOCH! before and it is also addressed to some degree in our books which, incidentally, were not intended to be the last word on the subject like Jochen Prien has done with the Jagdwaffe. Our books were intended to fill an intermediate level of interest in the subject and mainly from the operational standpoint, i.e., something more than Wolfgang Dierich’s old single volume Verbände der Luftwaffe but nowhere near the level of detail offered by Prien. So there may be a lot of omissions and some errors. That is all covered in the Introduction to the books.

So for now, I will accept that 10.(Schlacht)/LG 2 was ordered formed on 1 March 1941 either at Calais-Marck, Krainici (Kraynitsi)/44 km S of Sofia in Bulgaria or Braunschweig-Waggum by II.(Schlacht)/LG 2. But I still have a problem with its status with the Gruppe, i.e., attached or integrated. If it was integrated as an organic component of the Gruppe as you have stated then that would be, in my opinion, a quite unusual thing. Not impossible, just unusual.

Regards,

Larry

[steven1]

Hello Franck,

The Document which I have and raised a very interesting thread for me is The Iron Cross 2nd Class.
regards steven

[SR71Blackbird]

Hello Forum!

There are some little correction to be made.
The Gruppenkommandeur Major Georg Spielvogel died on September 9th 1939 and not on the 13th.
And sorry, but not being to fancy, the correct abbreviation for II. Schlachtgruppe/Lehrgeschwader 2 ist II.(Schl.)/LG 2.

Greetings from Tutow, the Home of II.(Schl.)/LG 2
Heiko

[Andreas Brekken]

Hello, Heiko

I agree that the abbreviated name should be what you say in your latest post.

The problem (or rather issue) is that the official documents remaining in the records of the Luftwaffe general staff uses these other variants of abbreviations.

So just to be able to quote directly from the reference I have used the naming as given in them.

Regards,
Andreas B

[SR71Blackbird]

Hello Andreas!

You are quite right, as abbreviation like (S), (Sch) or (Schlacht) were used. Using the backslash on the wrong position would indicate a totally different unit, which didn't exist. II./(Schl.)LG 2 reading like Schlacht-Lehrgeschwader :D
But as I said before, I don't want to be to finicky. There is allways the possibilities of misspelling even in official documents.

Regards
Heiko

[Larry Hickey]

Tim O.

Relating to your earlier post in this thread, you said that you have documents on a 4 Staffel pilot SD and PoW on 29.10.40. Is this Ofw Josef Harmeling? We are doing a color profile of this a/c for the EoE Project, and I would appreciate knowing what kind of documents that you have on this pilot, as we always want to including bio/career info on pilots for which we do profiles.

[Tim O.]

Hi Larry

Sorry, not been here for a while due to too much work. Yes it is Josef Harmeling and I have all his award certificates (EK2, EK1, Ehrenpokal, Fighter Clasp in Silver, Sudetanland Medal, Wound Badge in Black) letter confirming his capture, his Pilot Licence, letters from the Red Cross confirming him as POW and some pre war correspondence. I have copies from British Intelligence describing his interrogation too.

Regards
Tim O.

[Brian R]

Hi Guys - Does anyone have any reference to a Leutnant Rolf Claus of II. Gruppe? He was active in Poland in 1939 and the attack on the West in 1940.

[andrus]

Hello,

does anybody known reasons for high losses of II./L.G.2 on 22. and 23. June 1941?
there is handwritten remark in loss list "22. +23.6. insges. 16 Bf 109 3 Hs 123".

[Evgeny Velichko]

Reasons? Highly-intensive combat missions, small-caliber gunfire, crashes on take-off and landing. That was enough for Bf109's, flying low-level strafing attacks over the Belostock area, wich was filled with troops.

[Rottler]

Hello andrus,

because of two double entries in the GenQu. loss reports actually 14 Bf 109 and 3 Hs 123 were lost on these two days.

Here the loss reasons are listed:

Ursache/cause 1 (= Totalverlust durch Feindeinwirkung auf Feindflug vermisst)
3 Bf 109 E-7

Ursache/cause 20 (= Totalverlust ohne Feindeinwirkung mit Feindauftrag)
5 Bf 109 E-7 (3 Startunfälle/start accidents, 1 Notlandung/emergency landing, 1 Absturz/crash)

Ursache/cause 21 (= beschädigt ohne Feindeinwirkung mit Feindauftrag)
3 Hs 123 B-1 (1 Startunfall/start accident, 2 Landeunfälle/landing accidents)
1 Bf 109 E-4/B (Startunfall/start accident)
5 Bf 109 E-7 (2 Startunfälle/start accidents, 3 Notlandungen/emergency landings).

Regards
Leo

[oquaig]

I have attached one of the strength reports of the II./(Schl.) LG 2. We can still disagree - but this is how the Luftwaffe General Staff saw the unit. Hopefully someone will come up with the original order with the full details you want in the future.

Regards,
Andreas B

Hi Andreas,
My question concerns the the strength report of the II./(Schl.) LG 2you attached here...how does one read this ? My second question is where in the archives did you find it ?

Thanks in advance
oquaig

[Andreas Brekken]

Hi, oquaig

You could start by reading this and the subsequent blog posts on deciphering the strength reports:

https://aviationhistorynorway.blogspot.no/2016/10/research-notes-unit-strength-reports.html

Regards,
Andreas B

[Andreas Brekken]

Hi, all

Commenting on the unusual high losses on June 22nd and 23rd 1941. These were the immediate start of Barbarossa - were LG 2 was heavily involved in attacks on ground troops - and as we know the Bf 109 was in no way impregnable to small arms fire flying at low level...

But - in this case it was more the conditions of the airfield that led to a high number of aircraft losses:

Suwalki - 5 aircraft damaged in ground handling:

3 aircraft 'beim Start ausgebrochen'
2 aircraft 'zusammenstoss beim Start'

Berzniki - 7 aircraft damaged during approach or shortly after landing and 2 during take-off:

2 aircraft 'beim Start ausgebrochen'
2 aircraft 'Notlandung' - could be due to damage obtained during operations
2 aircraft 'bei Landing ausgebrochen'
2 aircraft 'Bruchlanding'
1 aircraft 'Absturz'


In addition 3 aircraft were lost in the Grodno area - these likely being combat losses.

Uffz. Bodden and Uffz. Wolf returned to the unit unhurt, so I would not be surprised if photos exist of the emergency landed L + and H + exist - unless they parachuted to safety.

Regards,
Andreas B

[Evgeny Velichko]

Yes, belly-landed /\+L photo exist, I can sent it to You if need.

Also, landing accidents occure often, when mainwheels were shot through by enemy small arms fire.

[Andreas Brekken]

Hi, Evgeny!

AS I have the possibility to attach photos to the loss records on my site now a copy would be nice as it will also appear on the loss record when I post a link.

Regards,
Andreas B

[Evgeny Velichko]

Hi, Evgeny!

AS I have the possibility to attach photos to the loss records on my site now a copy would be nice as it will also appear on the loss record when I post a link.

Regards,
Andreas B

Here You are. Russland, summer 1941. Possibly aircraft You need.

[oquaig]

Hi, oquaig

You could start by reading this and the subsequent blog posts on deciphering the strength reports:

https://aviationhistorynorway.blogspot.no/2016/10/research-notes-unit-strength-reports.html

Regards,
Andreas B

Thank you very much Andreas. Just what I needed to know.
regards
oquaig