Wreck in Alikianos of Crete

[byron-]

Hello,

Any ideas about that wreck in Alikanos/Crete (1941)

thanks
Byron

[Brian]

Hi Byron

Do we know that the wing belongs to the tail unit?

Cheers
Brian

[byron-]

Hi Brian,

unfortunately, i haven't got a clue

Byron

[byron-]

It seems to be a Ju 52, am i mistaking?

[Marc-André Haldimann]

It certainly is, Byron. Now from which KGrzbV, that's the next challenge ;)

Cheers
Marc

[byron-]

Hi Marc,

this is a very interesting pic, it would be a pity if we couldn't find out at least the unit or the exact date of the loss. This would lead us to more details.

Byron

[byron-]

Τhis Nr. 9 on the tail is doubtless fake, any objections?

[Marc-André Haldimann]

I object Byron. To me it seems genuine.

Cheers
Marc

[byron-]

isn`t it to bright Marc? and what does it means? Staffel 9?
Take a look on the second picture of the same wreck, there is nothing to see

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Unsure about the brightness. As for the "9" missing on the second picture, the angle of the pic makes the fin mask that segment of the rudder. I still believe this "9" is genuine.

Cheers
Marc

[Matti Salonen]

One possibility:
1941-05-20, 2./KGr.z.b.V. 60, Ju 52/3mg5e, 6908, 9P+MU, Chania-Alikianu, Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Fw Bickel, Heinz, +
Kampfbeobachter Fw Huemer, Rudolf, +
Bordfunker Uffz Peters, Gustav, +
Fluggast Fw Seiler, Richard, +

Matti

[byron-]

Hi Matti,
That is really a possibility, the only loss of a Ju 52 i have in Alikianos. There was a second BO with the crew named Fw. Helmut Hömke.
For the "Fluggast" Fw. Seiler i have a first name Florian. May be i am wrong.

Hi Marc,
I have a lot of pics from Crete with destroyed Jus, the only ones with a such number on the tail is this with the 9 and an other with an 11 (attached). I think they are both a product of propaganda, a deception and not original.
Can you explain what could this number mean?

cheers
Byron

[Eduardo]

This wing does NOT belong to a Ju 52. The Junkers wings were corrugated and tapered on its end and its pitot tube were near its wing tip. Im trying to discover which type plane did it belongs to.
Eduardo

[Larry deZeng]

Byron -

I'm not a markings person but I think the markings on the tail are the aircraft's tactical Kennzeichen. See:

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/archive/index.php?t-12325.html

Kössler, Karl. Transporter – wer kennt sie schon! Die Kennzeichen der Transportfliegerverbände der Luftwaffe von 1937-1945. Düsseldorf: Alba Buchverlag, 1976. ISBN: 3-87094-410-2. Pb (card cover). 89p. Illus. Charts. Tables.

HTH

L.

[taitbb]

It looks like we have I am guessing an airport junk yard and are seeing different aircraft. The wings are not Ju52, but that tail certainly is. Note, there is more corrugated remains (as we would see on the Ju52) under the smooth skinned wing.



This wing does NOT belong to a Ju 52. The Junkers wings were corrugated and tapered on its end and its pitot tube were near its wing tip. Im trying to discover which type plane did it belongs to.
Eduardo

[byron-]

Ηi Larry,
Kössler`s book didn`t help much, to my opinion it is too complicated and didn`t lead me to any safe conclusions.
Judjing by the number on the tail, if this shows the squadron, the aircraft must have belonged to the 9th Sq, that means KG z.b.V. 1, no other unit had a 9th on Crete.
Besides, the area is not an airfield on the island, Cretans who know assured me about that. The only airport junk yard was Maleme and nowhere else.

[byron-]

Hi,

A pic of the present time taken in Alikianos where the Ju 52 crush landed

[byron-]

Hi,

just found the observer

[Gianandrea Bussi]

In Flugzeug Archiv number 3, mostly devoted to the Ju.52 in the battle for Kreta, at pag. 53 appears the picture of a Ju.52 with a dark painted number 10 on the rudder, under the haken kreuz (and not above it as in the picture posted by Byron). The aircraft alledgely belonged to KGr zbV 106. In another photo appears a rudder with a dark painted 7.

Gianandrea

[byron-]

Interesting! Can you show these pics Gianandrea??

[Gianandrea Bussi]

Please send me your e-mail adress via PM

Gianandrea

[byron-]

O.K. Gianandrea, thanks