Führungskette X Fliegerkorps

[Chris Goss]

I know this has been sort of discussed before but can anyone add anything to who flew in this unit, when it was disbanded and was it in fact a Kette? I have Harlinghausen, Kowalewski, Wieting as officers in the Kette and that during the BofB, they were credited with sinking nine ships and damaging another 11. Last success I have noted is 13 Nov 40

[Boris Ciglic]

Hi Chris,

I have one of their planes lost over Yugoslavia on 4 July 1941. He 111H-5 “P4+AA” W.Nr.3873 crashed some 20 km north of Zagreb, Lt. Helmut Holter (Ff), Uffz. Herbert Hotze (Bf) and Gefr. Hermann Patzelt (Bm) being killed.


Cheers,

Boris

[Larry deZeng]

Did not have its own separate FpN so unable to trace lineage.

Flugbereitschaft Gen.Kdo. Fliegerkorps X

Also as: Führungskette/X. Fliegerkorps

Formation, History and Losses. (Nov 39? - Aug 44?)
Date of formation and disbandment unknown. Officially designated Führungskette X. Fliegerkorps until approximately June 1941 (or fall 1942 according to other evidence). Assigned FpN L 23107A.

18 Dec 39: He 111H shot up by enemy planes near Ameland Is. off the Dutch coast and slightly damaged, Hptm. Arno Kleyenstüber WIA.
2 Jan 40: He 111H-2 damaged landing at Fp. Uetersen, 50%.
9 Jun 40: Fi 156 reported missing near Narvik, 100%, 1 MIA.
11 Sep 40: He 111H-3 (P4+BA) shot up over Moray Firth/N Scotland, 30%, 1 WIA.
13 Dec 40: He 111H-3 crashed in the Bremen area - no details, 90%.
17 Feb 41: He 111H-5 crashed near Sciacca/Sicily when both engines failed, 100%.
21 Jun 41: had 11 x Ju 88 C, 1 x He 111 H-2 and 2 x He 111 H-5 on strength but only 3 were serviceable.
29 Jun 41: Ju 88 A-5 (P4+BA) struck the ground and burned near Salonika while en-route from Fp. Wien-Aspern to Athens, 100%, Hptm. Franz Wieting + 2 killed.
4 Jul 41: He 111H-5 crashed near Zagreb, 100%, 3 killed.
8 Mar 42: He 111H-2 struck the ground and crashed at Fp. Athens-Kalamaki, 100%, 4 killed.
blah, blah, blah...................
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21 Oct 43: Fi 156 “Trop” (BP+MH) reported missing SW of Patiopoulou/Greece, 100%, 1 MIA.
20 Nov 43: based at Fp. Athens-Tatoi.

No information found after 20 Nov 43.

L.

[Seaplanes]

With effect from 3. October 1939 the Flieger-Divsion 10 was redesignated
Flieger-Korps X and I would believe the Korps-Kette followed suit. In May 1940 the X. Fliegerkorps had a Führungskette of 3 He 111 and was forming its own Transportstaffel with three Ju 52. When X. Fliegerkorps left Norway at the end of 1940, the Transportstaffel remained in the country and became the Transportstaffel of Fliegerführer Nord.
I would suppose that our friend Byron has more about the Korps-Kette and possible Transportstaffel when X. Fliegerkorps operated from Greek bases.

[Chris Goss]

Thanks gentlemen-only goes to puzzle me further. Prior to May 1940, they had occasional successes, nothing in Norway, Denmark or BoF and then 12 Jul 40, Korps Führungskette X Flieger Korps sinks its first ship (1,000T) off the east coast of Iceland, the last in and around UK being one sunk, one damaged off the east coast of Scotland 13 Nov 40

[byron-]

Hello friends,

Additionally some more losses

Korpsführungskette X. Fl.K.:
FF. Ltn. Helmut Holter, He 111 H5 (W.Nr. 3873) 100% m. BF. Uffz. Herbert
Hotze, BM. Gfr. Hermann Patzelt, alle (+) Absturz 01.07.41 bei Agram,


FF. Uffz. Alois Trenner m. BO. Ofw. Bredemeyer, BF. Uffz. Krauber,
BM. Ofw. Hafemann, alle (+) Bodenberührung 08.03.42 5 km östlich Kalamaki,


26.04.42 Fi 156 (W.Nr. 5070) Bruch beim Start infolge Bedienungsfehlers,


FF. Ltn. Werner Muffey (vw.) He 111 (F4+AA, W.Nr. 7338) 100% mit
BO. Uffz. Heinrich Nisten (v.), BF. Fw. Herbert Schulze (+),
BM. Uffz. Willi Mensching (vw.), Absturz See 10.08.42 bei Matruk

[edNorth]

6349 Ju 88 A-5 <P4+BA> Stab./Fliegerkorps X (Fliegerkorps X)
Non-OPS (H) struck ground and burned (100%) at Saloniki, <enroute from Wien-Aspern to Athens, per abowe> 29.06.1941 (F Hptm. Franz Wieting, BF Fw. Kurt Behrendt, BM Ofw. Karl Kast and Ob.Sekr. August Bassauer killed / see LWFLV losses 33v14.07.41)

I think these 11 "Ju 88 C" be "Ju 88 A-5/C" (Longer Range) because matching entry was Ju 88 A-5 and not an Ju 88 C (Zerstörer).

ADD, its just my way of writing "Fliegerkorps X" (Like Luftflotte 3, Luftflotte 5 etc.) rather than X. Fliegerkorps, or 5. Luftflotte.
thats just as wrong as writing "Air Force 8th" (i.e. USAAF, 8th Air force).

-ed

[edNorth]

There is photos of units emblem and side of He 111 H-5 P4+AA (misindentified as H-6*) that has both Yellow and White rear fuselage band,
in Squadron/Signal a/c No 6 "He 111 in Action" P. 33 by Mike Dario & Uwe Feist (Squadron Signal Publications Inc 1973)

*H-6 had VS 11 (Wood) Props, but H-5 and earlier ones had VDM aluminum props.

Field Marshall Kesselring arrived in this aircraft in Lybia (1941)

so far not traced pics of P4+ coded He 111´s is Norway.
May have them stashed in some remote corner of my PC ...

[edNorth]

"11 Sep 40: He 111H-3 (P4+BA) shot up over Moray Firth/N Scotland, 30%, 1 WIA."

Luftflotte 5
11.9 Korps-Führungskette X. Fliegerkorps, He 111 H-3 W.Nr. 3253 P4+BA Hptm Kowalewski injured

in GQM Entry 2.) 14.09.40 (BA MA RL 2 III 1175 Page 267)

[edNorth]

"13 Dec 40: He 111H-3 crashed in the Bremen area - no details, 90%."

"Flieger-Korps X" (!)
He 111 H-3 W.Nr. 6893 (GQM Entry 15.12.40, BA-MA RL 2 III 1175 P.28)

[edNorth]

claim on He 111 code P4+BA in here:
https://is-is.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=147411388644491&id=119084888132029&comment_id=1446470&offset=0&total_comments=1

-Ed

[byron-]

Hi,
A strange pic from ebay, a Bf 109 at Crete with the emblem of the unit "Führungskette X. Fliegerkorps". How can you explain that, we know the unit possesed only He 111 and Storch.

regards
Byron

[sidney]

Risking to state the obvious... it is a Bf 108, and the attached is another photo with the aircraft, and the emblem in question.

Regards,
Sinisa

[byron-]

Hello Sinisa,
i know these pictures, but this is not the answer on my question.

regards
Byron

[sidney]

Hello Byron,

That is correct. My post was more like in the supporting role - to present another photo of the same? Bf 108 aircraft sporting the emblem, and to present the emblem itself.

Regards,
Sinisa

[byron-]

O.K. Sinisa, thanks

[veltro]

Byron, me too will risk to state the obvious, but the reply to your question, IMHO, is that what "was known" isn't simply completely correct...

Since I do believe much more to two photographs than to anything else, I guess it can be almost safely said that such unit had also a Bf 108 Taifun among its ranks, notwithstanding what else was known or written before.

[byron-]

Hi Ferdinando,
the photos are surely proving it`s existence in this unit. The plain was probably used as observation platform and VIP transport.

regards
Byron

[Feldpost]

Hi there,
did the Flugbuch of Harlinghausen survive?
(or maybe one book of his X. Fliegerkorps fellows ).
I never came across of things like that.
Frank