Re: LW Ehren Pokal FELDWEBEL WILHELM SIELMANN AM 20.6.42
 

POKAL was found in bad condition in old garage , it was renowated maybe thats the reason you dont like this look. Here is a photo how it looked like whn found,

Re: LW Ehren Pokal FELDWEBEL WILHELM SIELMANN AM 20.6.42
 

OK, that explains it.

Re: LW Ehren Pokal FELDWEBEL WILHELM SIELMANN AM 20.6.42
 

Hi Tim,

There you stand 100% correct!

I have two groups to bomber crew members who never got the Pokal, although flying over 150 missions. Without more information on Sielmann I would say he also must have flown at least 150 missions before getting his Pokal (assuming he was of a bomber crew). On the Eastfront this number could be flowns within one year. Which could mean none of his missions were against the West.

Kind regards, Thomas

Re: LW Ehren Pokal FELDWEBEL WILHELM SIELMANN AM 20.6.42
 

Hi Thomas

I have a few bomber groupings too and it's is extraordinary what was expected of these guys and how many missions they flew. There is certainly inconsistency in the rewards they received. Just as an observation from my collection, it seems crews including an officer often got rewarded faster than NCO crews.

Re: LW Ehren Pokal FELDWEBEL WILHELM SIELMANN AM 20.6.42
 

Greg,

I take it you are not the same person I gave a response to on Wehrmacht-Awards in July?

He was positively identified but his name was misspelled on the loss reports...also the dates slightly differ....

Nachname: Sielmann
Vorname: Wilhelm
Geburtsdatum: 30.06.1918
Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 15.07.1943
Todes-/Vermisstenort: Süditalien

Sielmann, Wilhelm. Feldwebel
Flugzeugführer
29.06.1942 Ehrenpokal

Unfortunately there is no photo of him in the Vermisstenbildliste. The photo page comes from FP Nr. 25443 - I./Kampf-Geschwader 76.

The other two crewmen are not listed except Karl Scholz......additionally I may have a photo of Kriechbaumer but need to verify if its the same guy.

/Ian

Re: LW Ehren Pokal FELDWEBEL WILHELM SIELMANN AM 20.6.42
 

Ian

Yes thats me you answered on another forum , in this forum i was trying to get maybe some more information...

Regards
Greg

Re: LW Ehren Pokal FELDWEBEL WILHELM SIELMANN AM 20.6.42
 

Ian a strange serial for an Ju 88
I think this is not correct.

Regards Peter van Gogh