LW Ehren Pokal FELDWEBEL WILHELM SIELMANN AM 20.6.42

[donitz1980]

Hello

Its my first post in here , i have tried looking information about this guy and i was told that this forum is my only chance...
Looking for any information on recipment of this goblet :

FELDWEBEL WILHELM SIELMANN Awarded on 20.6.42.

Can anyone tell me anyting about him ?

Regards
Greg

[Tim O.]

Hi Greg

Patzwall's book lists him as a pilot. He is not listed by Scherzer for the DKiG, which is a shame as that would have given us his unit.

I can't find him in my other references but others may well have more.

Good luck!

[hucks216]

Without a Date of Birth it is not possible to be 100% certain but this one is listed in the Volksbund. He is still listed as MIA:

Nachname: Sielmann
Vorname: Wilhelm
Geburtsdatum: 30.06.1918
Todes-/Vermisstendatum:15.07.1943
Todes-/Vermisstenort: Süditalien

[hucks216]

There is also this one:

Nachname: Sielmann
Vorname: Wilhelm Hermann
Geburtsdatum: 20.09.1904
Geburtsort: Wissentrup
Todes-/Vermisstendatum:16.06.1945
Todes-/Vermisstenort: in poln. Kgf. Lg. Neuhammer/Queis/Schl.

[donitz1980]

huck and tim , thank you for your informations , does anyone has access to Ehren Liste from that year ? Pokal was found in Northern Poland , in and old house that family of recipment used to live in...

Iam tryding to determine where this guy served and for which action ? was he awarded with Honor Goblet....

[Tim O.]

Hi Greg

The Pokal was usually awarded for a series of successful missions rather than for a single action. Around 80 missions would typically be required by a bomber crewman to qualify for the Pokal for example.

[Thomas H]

Originally Posted by Tim O.

Around 80 missions would typically be required by a bomber crewman to qualify for the Pokal for example.

Hi Tim,

But than you are talking about those that got the Ehrenpokal for their missions in the West. Sielmann got his Ehrenpokal in juni of 1942, so he may have never flown missions in the West. On the Eastfront you could double that number. For a bomber crew I would say between 150-200 missions.

Regards, Thomas

[Tim O.]

Originally Posted by Thomas H

Hi Tim,

But than you are talking about those that got the Ehrenpokal for their missions in the West. Sielmann got his Ehrenpokal in juni of 1942, so he may have never flown missions in the West. On the Eastfront you could double that number. For a bomber crew I would say between 150-200 missions.

Regards, Thomas

Hi Thomas

You are absolutely correct that the criteria changed as the war went on (as they did for the Ritterkreuz, DKiG, etc.). The point I was trying to make was that award of the Pokal was not usually for a single action, as Greg seemed to think.

[donitz1980]

Originally Posted by Tim O.

Hi Thomas

You are absolutely correct that the criteria changed as the war went on (as they did for the Ritterkreuz, DKiG, etc.). The point I was trying to make was that award of the Pokal was not usually for a single action, as Greg seemed to think.

I learned something new again my question does anyone has ehrenliste from that year ?

[VtwinVince]

Greg, that is an unusual patina for an Alpaca Pokal, can you show the markings on the bottom?