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Adriano Baumgartner 7th November 2007 20:42

26th JULY 1944 losses over Austria
 
Good night to all!
I am trying to check the Fw 190 and Bf 109G losses ( almost certainly from JG 300 ) involved on the fight against the 325th FG over Austria on 26th JULY 1944.
Does anyone know about the losses who matches the Checkertails claims?
( I am particularly interested on the claims of Lt. Art Fiedler - who had already shared with us most of his claims ).
Thanks for all help and contribution
Adriano

Griffon 8th November 2007 09:45

Re: 26th JULY 1944 losses over Austria
 
Maybe its best to ask Martin Handig as he is presently compiling the second edition of a standard work, detailing all known LW losses over Austria.
I can only provide this link as a reference to the book (scroll down a little further :) )
http://www.rlm.at/cont/profil12.htm

hope this helps
cheers
phil

Peter Kassak 8th November 2007 21:05

Re: 26th JULY 1944 losses over Austria
 
July 26, 1944

JG 300 lost:
I. Gruppe lost one Bf 109. FSA Graz area, another Malfunction
II. Gruppe lost 9 planes, three each 4th, 5th 6th staffel.
Lorant says that FW 190s were involved with Checkertails...

Simon Schatz 8th November 2007 22:21

Re: 26th JULY 1944 losses over Austria
 
Hi Adriano!

Here the losses out of Martin Handigs booklet:

3./JG 302, Bf 109 G-6
I./JG 300, Bf 109 G
4./JG 300, Fw 190 A-8, White 12
4./JG 300, Fw 190 A-8, White 16
5./JG 300, Fw 190 A-8, Red 10
5./JG 300, Fw 190 A-8, Red 4
5./JG 300, Fw 190 A-8, Red 15
6./JG 300, Fw 190 A-7, Yellow 8
6./JG 300, Fw 190 A-8, Yellow 6

All planes were lost during dogfight with P-51.

Cheers, Simon

Adriano Baumgartner 10th November 2007 18:41

Re: 26th JULY 1944 losses over Austria
 
Hello, Peter, Griffon and Simon!
Thanks for enhancing my researches. I am still looking for identifying the pilots, but would try to find out those books you mentioned. I heard that .4/ JG 27 was involved also on the big combats on 26th July. Have you heard about any losses?
Have you positively identified Art Fiedler´s claims?
Thanks again for your help. It was really valuable and helped me a lot.
Yours
Adriano

Griffon 10th November 2007 21:10

Re: 26th JULY 1944 losses over Austria
 
Adriano, the book I have mentioned is currently out of print and sold out, but the authors are working on a heavily extended new release, which will appear sometime next year :)

watch this space for more news ;)

Adriano Baumgartner 12th November 2007 13:19

Re: 26th JULY 1944 losses over Austria
 
Grifon and friends,
I found JG 300 losses at www.jg300.de, a site from Bobo, a German researcher and writer.
Those are the mentioned losses:
.2/JG 300
????????????? Bf 109 G-6
.4/JG 300 ( Fw 190 A-8 - White 12, 16 )
Uffz. Gerhard Schlingheider – Budapest ( Hungria )
Ogfr. Martin Köhler – Graz
Ofw. Heinz Hoenmans – Neukirchen
.5/JG 300 ( Fw 190 A-8 – Red 4, 10, 15)
Fw. Gunther Stephan ( St. Marein/ Bruck )
Ogfr. Heinz Westerdorf ( Langenwang )
Lt. Gerhard Nehls ( Neukirchen )
.6/JG 300 ( Fw 190 A-7/A-8 – Yellow 6, 8 )
Uffz. Hans Winhusen ( Markensdorf/Wien ) Fw 190 A-7/M?
Uffz. Karl Henschel ( Wieners/Neustadt ) A-8

Do you know who was flying which plane? Do you have at least the name of the JG 300 Bf 109 G pilot?
Thanks again for helping
Yours
Adriano

Jean-Yves Lorant 12th November 2007 13:43

Re: 26th JULY 1944 losses over Austria
 
Hi Adriano,

Just have a look in our JG 300 chronicle (volume 1 by Eagle Editions, USA). Then you will perhaps never more visit the "JG 300 site". The webmaster Bobo - Burkhard Otto - is often unaware of the real JG 300 losses and many others things.

All the best

JYL

Adriano Baumgartner 12th November 2007 13:48

Re: 26th JULY 1944 losses over Austria
 
Salut Jean-Yves!
Oui, j´ai déjà vu ton livre sur le marché et réellement ça m´a fasciné. Avez-vous reussi a aprofondir la recherche, en incluant, comme Jochen Prien ( JG 53 série ) toutes les pertes et victoires du JG 300?
J´espère bientôt ( Noel arrive ) avoir l´oportunité de lire ton livre et aprendre um petit peu plus...
Amicale et sincèrement
Adriano

Jean-Yves Lorant 12th November 2007 14:22

Re: 26th JULY 1944 losses over Austria
 
Hi Adriano!

thank you for the kind words...

...et félicitations pour ce bon usage du Français! of course this book contains many unknown claims and some new losses. No wonder after over twenty + years of intensive research.

I only hope you really enjoy our book - all the best

JYL


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