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Does anyone have a mention of an Oblt Lorenz being lost with KGr 606/I/KG 77 some time in 1942?

All I could find was a mention in 'K' 367/1942 ( 3Z+BL shot down 9-11-42) which identifies a Hpt. Lorenz as a St/kap of 1/KG77.

That would be him-I wonder if it was Hptm Herbert Lorenz?

We have a ton of Lorenz's.

As for Herbert Lorenz we have:

LORENZ, Herbert. (DOB: 17.05.06). 01.04.42 promo to Maj.
LORENZ, Herbert. 01.03.42 promo to Hptm.(Tr.O.). 27.04.42 Hptm., awarded Ehrenpokal. 16/17.06.44 Hptm. in 1./NJG 2, KIA – shot down or crashed into the sea east of Cancale on the north coast of Brittany.

Neither seems to be your man.
A search of the Lorenz's reveals none apparently associated with KGr. 606 or KG 77.

LdZ
DGS

Thanks Gentlemen. I have 2 more Lorenz-Helmut promoted to Hptm 1 Apr 42 & & Gerhard promoted to Hptm 1 Feb 42?

We have one Gerhard Lorenz:

LORENZ, Gerhard.
(DOB: 1906).
16.07.40 POW???
01.02.42 promo to Hptm.
1942 in 5./KG 27.
01.11.42 appt Kdr. Störkampfgruppe Luftwaffenkommando Don (to 13.03.43).

Maybe this is two guys?

LdZ
DGS

The first one was taken POW with III/KG 26 so maybe 2 guys but what about Helmut?

After nearly 12 years, this guy is still vexing me but thanks to Matti I might be closer. Herbert Lorenz who was killed with 1./NJG 2 was with 3./806 in April 1940 probably at the time they were converting to Ju 88s. He then reappears in April 1942 as a Hptm when he gets the EP. So we have the Ju 88 & Küstenfliegergruppe connection and that he was still operational in April 1942 but not with III./KG 54 (which 806 would become)

Hello,

10 years ago I wrote an article in the French magazine "AVIONS", which related the rescue, on 8th of November 1940, of the crew of a KG 26 He111, whose the observer was Oblt. zur Zee Helmut LORENZ.

I attached to this message the copy of the page of the article in which I briefly related the military career of this officer. May be is he your man ?

Pierre Babin

Different man-this Lorenz was a torpedo man who then joined the Luftwaffe and KG 26

Chris, only an info,
in end of 1941 Gruppe 606 was still under the Fliegerfuehrer Atlantik, Oberstleutnant Harltinghausen but subordinated to Luftflotte 3 under the command of General Sperrle. The Staffelkapitaen of 1/606 was an Oberleutnant Lorenz.
Info from Nigel Parker's book
Best
Manfred

Thanks Manfred. I have this already and Lorenz is mentioned again in 1942 as being St Kap and Hptm. BTW, it is Martin Harlinghausen-there are a number of mistakes in this series of books as the information is taken from the interrogation reports of the time and the author wanted to keep it as accurate to what was said during the war

Chris,

Don't know if you have this already but this takes you back to Feb 1940 assuming that this is the same person.

KTB 3/806 T1022 R3358 PG-80192 19.1.40 – 15.4.40 Staka Hptm Linke.

4.2.40 – 08.14 (start Uetersen) He 111 IH – Lt.z.S. S. Münster, Oblt. Lorenz, Ob.Gefr. Woytossek, Uffz. Härtl.

9.2.40 – 11.05 (start Uetersen) He 111 IH – Lt.z.S. S. Münster, Oblt. Lorenz, Ob.Gefr. Woytossek, Uffz. Härtl.

9.2.40 – 14.51 IH landed.

16.2.40 – 11.00 (Start Uetersen) He 111 IH – Lt.z.S. S. Münster, Oblt. Lorenz, Ob.Gefr. Woytossek, Uffz. Härtl.

16.2.40 – 15.56 IH landed.

20.2.40 – 08.42 (Start Uetersen) He 111 IH – Lt.z.S. S. Münster, Oblt. Lorenz, Ob.Gefr. Woytossek, Uffz. Härtl.

20.2.40 – 14.41 IH landed.

22.2.40 – 11.02 (Start Uetersen) He 111 IH – Lt.z.S. S. Münster, Oblt. Lorenz, Ob.Gefr. Woytossek, Uffz. Härtl.

22.2.40 – 16.22 IH landed.

7.4.40 – 11.07 B 3/806 Oblt.z.S. Sporkmann, Oblt. Lorenz, Uffz. Wurzbach, Uffz Seidlich.

14.4.40 – 05.05 B 3/806 Oblt.z.S. Sporkmann, Oblt. Lorenz, Uffz. Wurzbach, Uffz Seidlich.

14.4.40 – 09.08 B 3/806 landed

Thanks Andy-I have emailed you