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simon113 13th March 2010 10:34

Help in Identifying these ME109
 
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This picture is a scan of the original, its is Pre 1942 because the soldier that took it was KIA/MIA in early 1942 in russia.

robert 13th March 2010 11:52

Re: Help in Identifying these ME109
 
Hi,

your photo was taken at Philippeville in May 1940. It shows two Bf109Es from 2./JG3, which most likely crashed during on night landing (ca.22.00 hrs) on 21.05.40. Fi 156 was from stI./JG77 and it crashed on landing on 19.5.40. In the background there is a Bf110 M8+DM (probably lost on 17.5.40).
Perhaps you could zoom out this Fi 156? I would like to know its marking code.

Regards

Robert

Falcon 13th March 2010 12:30

Re: Help in Identifying these ME109
 
Nice picture, here are others from this situation...

http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=5936
http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=5047
http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=3087
http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=5041

simon113 13th March 2010 12:54

Re: Help in Identifying these ME109
 
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While im on the subject my Grandad took this picture in africa, and i have the original photo, any ideas ?

Falcon 13th March 2010 20:10

Re: Help in Identifying these ME109
 
Simon, this plane is also known and there are some good photos in the LIFE archive.
Here is one:
http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=6519

thenelm 16th March 2010 01:14

Re: Help in Identifying these ME109
 
The codes for the links provided by Falcon were undoubtedly black and not red.

f4ufalcke 30th March 2010 13:06

Re: Help in Identifying these ME109
 
Hello,
Very interesting photo, some friends and me are collecting evidences for an exposition here in Philippeville, The farm in the background is named "ferme de beauregard" located on the field of "Vachefontaine" there is another farm on the other side of the road wich is named "ferme de Vachefontaine". We still are searching for photos and souvenirs to make our expo the most complete and accurate as possible.

robert 30th March 2010 13:49

Re: Help in Identifying these ME109
 
Hi f4ufalcke,

you have pm from me.

Regards

Robert

f4ufalcke 30th March 2010 15:14

Re: Help in Identifying these ME109
 
Hi Robert,
What we know for this time is the Vachefontaine Feldflugzeugplatz was used from 05/17/'40 to 05/23/'40 by I/JG3 and II/JG3.
Take off and landing were hazardous because of the rocks just behind the grass, we are on the first steps of the Ardennes.
We know that the pilots were dispatched in some farms in the vicinity.
A Ju-52 had landed here butfell on a ditch at the end of the runway, she stayed there for a while.
For my own part, I was very interested by the carrer of Günther Lützow (or Von Lützow) and knowing that he has spent lot of time very near my home is very exiting for me.

RT 30th March 2010 17:37

Re: Help in Identifying these ME109
 
The case of the Ju52 could hv been occured on 18.mai we hv a crash-landing in Philippeville KGrzbv 9

Remi

robert 30th March 2010 18:09

Re: Help in Identifying these ME109
 
9P+EM

Robert

RT 30th March 2010 19:30

Re: Help in Identifying these ME109
 
Fw Welch wounded, where come from the data Robert ??

Remi

robert 30th March 2010 20:43

Re: Help in Identifying these ME109
 
Remi,

you have pm.

Robert

RT 30th March 2010 22:04

Re: Help in Identifying these ME109
 
Just wonder about the source, becuse I hv the same data but no source, further the loss is not in the gen. returns

Remi

f4ufalcke 30th March 2010 22:22

Re: Help in Identifying these ME109
 
hello dears,
I've heard the tales from first hand people, The Ju-52 was carrying crates and drums, it was unloaded after the crash, not really a crash however since the plane has just gone too far on the runway.
Best regards.
Alain

f4ufalcke 31st March 2010 13:47

Re: Help in Identifying these ME109
 
Hello Dears,
As far as I look forward, my feeling is growing about the use by the Luftwaffe of Vachefontaine as a Feldflugplatz for a week at all but, it seem that it was then used as a collecting place for aircrafts downed in the vicinity.
After all, they liked our region ;-). Some time after that, they began the construction of the Florennes air base from scratch. It was the nest of the Nachtjagd guys of Wilhelm Herget.
There is a very interesting museum up there, there is a big england blitz carved in stone, it was an ornament inthe pilot mess, and thank to 2 nice peoples, this was saved from destruction after the war.
Best regards.
Alain


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