Italian Losses in 1940/41 while Based in Belgium.
 

Hello,

Italian losses in 1940/41 while based in Belgium.

At least three CR42's including Salvadori's "95-13" and Lazzari's "85-16". Who were the other pilots and what details of their CR42's are known please.

Also the BR20's several of these were lost, some over Europe. Affriani's "243-2" was one What details of the others is known and what of their crews ? names and fate please.

Were any G50's lost at all as none seem to have made any contact with the RAF at all ?

The Z1007 at least one was reported as damaged, what was this damage and was it used afterwards as there were very few in use by 172 Squadriglia to start with. Details of this a/c please.

Some Ca133's were in use while based in Belgium, were any of these lost in accidents or to flack?

Many thanks
Alex

Re: Italian Losses in 1940/41 while Based in Belgium.
 

Hi Alex ,

Perhaps this can help you :
23/10/1940
Belgian beach
CR-42
Crashlanding after fight with 603 Sqdn Fighter Sweep UK
83-18-56 Squadriglia -Gruppo - Stormo
Maresiallo Sozzi Felice ( WIA )

23/10/1940
Ursel Airfield
CR-42 Crashlanding after fight with 603 Sqdn Fighter Sweep UK
83-18-56
Squadriglia -Gruppo - Stormo
Sgt Melano P ( WIA )

24/10/1940
Ursel (Airfield)
CR-42 Crashlanding after fight with 603 Sqdn Fighter Sweep UK
83-18-56 Squadriglia -Gruppo - Stormo
Sgt-Maj Campanile F ( WIA )


27/10/1940
Lustin
BR.20
Crew bailed out between Namur and Charleroi
Harwich MM22624
13°Stormo 5 Squadriglia-43 Gruppo
Chievres
Ten. Pesso M SgtMaj Paolini (WND)


29/10/1940
Stene
BR.20
Emergengy landing
Ramsgate-Margate
MM21904 43°Stormo Chievres
S/Ten Biagetti Ten Poggi
1°Av. Podda - Av.Sc Zarillo –
1°Av. Bay - Av. Sala

30/10/1940
Kuurne
BR.20
English Flak Ramsgate-Margate
43°Stormo 243-3 243 Squadriglia-93 Gruppo
Chievres
Mag Feretti Corrado co-piloot ( WIA )
Cap Pil. Montobbio Romualdo (WIA)
1°Av. Monti Guiseppe ( KIA )
Mec. Bussi Luigi ( WIA )
1°Av Autretto Paolo ( WIA )
Sgt Valitutti Giuseppe
Greetings
Alain57
Belgium

Re: Italian Losses in 1940/41 while Based in Belgium.
 

Alex,

I have the following:

Nov 30, 1940: Diegem-Lo : Fiat BR 20 M - crashed during landing, cause: Flak damage - Target: Harwich - Lowestoft - serialnumber : MM21908 - Unit : 13 Stormo 3 Squadriglia - Pilot : Talete Rebuscini , KIA - Crew : S/T Luigi Dal Forno ( KIA ) - Maresciallo Elvio Romito ( KIA ) - 1Av Guisepe Maruelli ( KIA ) - 1Av Mario Cini ( KIA ) - Giacomo Columbano ( KIA ) - Burried in Evere Dec 1st 1940.

Apparently the a/c crashed on some houses setting them alight. Several civilians were killed.

Diegem is a small village located north of Brussels. Lo is a hamlet of Diegem.

Regards,
Rudi.

Re: Italian Losses in 1940/41 while Based in Belgium.
 

Alex,

Have you tried this site http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/falco_bob.htm,
it should help,

Regards

Brian Bines

Re: Italian Losses in 1940/41 while Based in Belgium.
 

Can anyone please substantiate any of the details as posted by Alain57 ?

Re: Italian Losses in 1940/41 while Based in Belgium.
 

Peter, some of the names appear in the loss lists and text of the Falco site as my previous post, I am off out now will check more later,

Brian Bines

Re: Italian Losses in 1940/41 while Based in Belgium.
 

Brian,

Thanks. I am already familiar with the site you mention. Please don't spend too much time trying to make sense of all this (as I have). But I will be interested in anything anyone has to offer on the 29 October 1940 incident as detailed by Alain57.

Re: Italian Losses in 1940/41 while Based in Belgium.
 

Hello All,

Many thanks for your help.

Details of the aircraft and crews are most welcome.

The link I had not seen, again thank you.

Again many thanks
Alex

Re: Italian Losses in 1940/41 while Based in Belgium.
 

Hello ,

Here two more Italian losses in Belgium :

24/10/1940
Florenville (400 meters north of the railwaystation )
BR.20 M Cicogna
Harwich
MM21928
13°Stormo /5-8
5 Squadriglia-43 Gruppo
Chievres
Cpt Pagani Carlo pilot (KIA)
Tenente Vardabasso Arrigo ( KIA ) pilot
Maresciallo Favia Giovanni co-pilot (KIA)
Sergente Maggiori Del Monte Aldo engineer (KIA)
Sgt Mag Astesati Paride gunner (KIA)
Sgt Biziocchi Paolo ( KIA ) radio
Buried at Evere ( Brussels )

14/11/1940
Belgian coast
CR-42
Spitfires
MM5703
18°Gruppo
95Sqdr - 56 Stormo
Ursel
Ten. Artina Ramolo
Alain57

Re: Italian Losses in 1940/41 while Based in Belgium.
 

Hello ,

Here one more ,
14/02/1941
Steenbrugge ( Brugge)
Fiat G-50 bis
Fighters at 1245hrs
20 Gruppo /352°Squadrilla/56 Stormo
Maldegem
Ten. Roncalli Mario (KIA)
Seems he was the last Italian killed in Belgium. Buried at Evere ( Brussels ) ,reburried at Verano Rome in 1964

Alain57

Re: Italian Losses in 1940/41 while Based in Belgium.
 

If anyone can add anything to the loss mentioned above plus that on 14 November 1940 subsequently posted by Alain57 I would be grateful.

Re: Italian Losses in 1940/41 while Based in Belgium.
 

I had 29th Oct day attack on Ramsgate by 15 BR20's with fighter escort, one force landed on return ( Mag. Feretti ? which Alain has as 30th.) and 4 others damaged by AA. I assume the one at Stene on the 29th was one of those damaged by AA which landed with crew unhurt and Alain has the crew information which I have not seen before.

Re: Italian Losses in 1940/41 while Based in Belgium.
 

Hello ,

Sorry ,
Indeed BR.20 ( 243-3 ) made this crashlanding on 29 october and not the 30th.1°Av Guiseppe Monti bailed out to low and died near the town off Kortrijk ( Courtrai in french )

Re: Italian Losses in 1940/41 while Based in Belgium.
 

Hi Alain,

Could you check the date of MM22624 which you have on 27th Oct. I have Av. Paolini as inj. on 24th Oct. (later killed 11th. Nov). Luft. QMs return dated 27th Oct has three BR20 losses on 24th Oct ( under KG13) one crashed on take off at Houthen 100% 6 killed (MM21928 ? ), one at Lustin with 6 injured, and one at Reisel. All are shown as Feindflug which I assume was the night attack on Folkstone/Harwich 24/25th. Oct.

Thanks

Brian Bines

Re: Italian Losses in 1940/41 while Based in Belgium.
 

Hi Brian ;

Indeed MM22624 was lost during the night of 24/25 october. The radio operator Serg Magg Paolini was wounded at his foot due to the bail out.

Greetings
Alain

Re: Italian Losses in 1940/41 while Based in Belgium.
 

Hi Brian ,

Perhaps this can help :

October 24/25 october 1940
Cap Bassi MM22624 abandoned his a/c near Cambrai ( France )
One other a/c made an emergency landing at the airfield off Lille/Seclin ( France )
November 11 1940
Harwich harbour
MM22267/242-3 crashed in the Channel
Ten. Enzio Squazinnin
MM22620/243-10 crashed in the Channel
Ten. Ernesto Bianchi
MM22621 / 243-2
Ten. Peitro Affriani crashed Tangham Forest Suffolk

Greetings
Alain57

Re: Italian Losses in 1940/41 while Based in Belgium.
 

Hello,
24-10-40
MM21895 Cap. F. Bassi, 3rd Squadron
MM22624 Ten. M. Pesso, 3rd Squadron
Bassi's crew baled -Cambrai area
Pesso's crew baled Namur-Charleroi, a/c crashed in Lustin. 1Av. Armando Paolini wounded.
Capt. u. Machieraldo forcelanded at Lille Epinoy, a/c damaged.

27-10-40
MM22624, 5th Squadron
Ten. M. Pesso
Sgt Magg Paolini wounded

The above info is taken from the link that was kindly given in an earlier post.

So perhaps the crews are correct but serial numbers in error (?)
Any info on the a/c in Squadron numbers ?
Each Br20 Squadron had 19 a/c.

As an extra, I found in Augusts Scale Aircraft Modelling a very good article on the "Chianti Raiders".

Alex

Re: Italian Losses in 1940/41 while Based in Belgium.
 

The is a photograph on sale on ebay which I believe is MM5703;

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-abgestur...YAAOSwAKxWZVsh