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Old 1st August 2010, 04:47
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Italian Losses in 1940/41 while Based in Belgium.
Hello,

Italian losses in 1940/41 while based in Belgium.

At least three CR42's including Salvadori's "95-13" and Lazzari's "85-16". Who were the other pilots and what details of their CR42's are known please.

Also the BR20's several of these were lost, some over Europe. Affriani's "243-2" was one What details of the others is known and what of their crews ? names and fate please.

Were any G50's lost at all as none seem to have made any contact with the RAF at all ?

The Z1007 at least one was reported as damaged, what was this damage and was it used afterwards as there were very few in use by 172 Squadriglia to start with. Details of this a/c please.

Some Ca133's were in use while based in Belgium, were any of these lost in accidents or to flack?

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Old 1st August 2010, 11:36
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Hi Alex ,

Perhaps this can help you :
23/10/1940
Belgian beach
CR-42
Crashlanding after fight with 603 Sqdn Fighter Sweep UK
83-18-56 Squadriglia -Gruppo - Stormo
Maresiallo Sozzi Felice ( WIA )

23/10/1940
Ursel Airfield
CR-42 Crashlanding after fight with 603 Sqdn Fighter Sweep UK
83-18-56
Squadriglia -Gruppo - Stormo
Sgt Melano P ( WIA )

24/10/1940
Ursel (Airfield)
CR-42 Crashlanding after fight with 603 Sqdn Fighter Sweep UK
83-18-56 Squadriglia -Gruppo - Stormo
Sgt-Maj Campanile F ( WIA )


27/10/1940
Lustin
BR.20
Crew bailed out between Namur and Charleroi
Harwich MM22624
13°Stormo 5 Squadriglia-43 Gruppo
Chievres
Ten. Pesso M SgtMaj Paolini (WND)


29/10/1940
Stene
BR.20
Emergengy landing
Ramsgate-Margate
MM21904 43°Stormo Chievres
S/Ten Biagetti Ten Poggi
1°Av. Podda - Av.Sc Zarillo –
1°Av. Bay - Av. Sala

30/10/1940
Kuurne
BR.20
English Flak Ramsgate-Margate
43°Stormo 243-3 243 Squadriglia-93 Gruppo
Chievres
Mag Feretti Corrado co-piloot ( WIA )
Cap Pil. Montobbio Romualdo (WIA)
1°Av. Monti Guiseppe ( KIA )
Mec. Bussi Luigi ( WIA )
1°Av Autretto Paolo ( WIA )
Sgt Valitutti Giuseppe
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Old 1st August 2010, 12:21
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Re: Italian Losses in 1940/41 while Based in Belgium.
Alex,

I have the following:

Nov 30, 1940: Diegem-Lo : Fiat BR 20 M - crashed during landing, cause: Flak damage - Target: Harwich - Lowestoft - serialnumber : MM21908 - Unit : 13 Stormo 3 Squadriglia - Pilot : Talete Rebuscini , KIA - Crew : S/T Luigi Dal Forno ( KIA ) - Maresciallo Elvio Romito ( KIA ) - 1Av Guisepe Maruelli ( KIA ) - 1Av Mario Cini ( KIA ) - Giacomo Columbano ( KIA ) - Burried in Evere Dec 1st 1940.

Apparently the a/c crashed on some houses setting them alight. Several civilians were killed.

Diegem is a small village located north of Brussels. Lo is a hamlet of Diegem.

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Re: Italian Losses in 1940/41 while Based in Belgium.
Alex,

Have you tried this site http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/falco_bob.htm,
it should help,

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Re: Italian Losses in 1940/41 while Based in Belgium.
Can anyone please substantiate any of the details as posted by Alain57 ?
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Old 1st August 2010, 15:26
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Re: Italian Losses in 1940/41 while Based in Belgium.
Peter, some of the names appear in the loss lists and text of the Falco site as my previous post, I am off out now will check more later,

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Re: Italian Losses in 1940/41 while Based in Belgium.
Brian,

Thanks. I am already familiar with the site you mention. Please don't spend too much time trying to make sense of all this (as I have). But I will be interested in anything anyone has to offer on the 29 October 1940 incident as detailed by Alain57.
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Re: Italian Losses in 1940/41 while Based in Belgium.
Hello All,

Many thanks for your help.

Details of the aircraft and crews are most welcome.

The link I had not seen, again thank you.

Again many thanks
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Re: Italian Losses in 1940/41 while Based in Belgium.
Hello ,

Here two more Italian losses in Belgium :

24/10/1940
Florenville (400 meters north of the railwaystation )
BR.20 M Cicogna
Harwich
MM21928
13°Stormo /5-8
5 Squadriglia-43 Gruppo
Chievres
Cpt Pagani Carlo pilot (KIA)
Tenente Vardabasso Arrigo ( KIA ) pilot
Maresciallo Favia Giovanni co-pilot (KIA)
Sergente Maggiori Del Monte Aldo engineer (KIA)
Sgt Mag Astesati Paride gunner (KIA)
Sgt Biziocchi Paolo ( KIA ) radio
Buried at Evere ( Brussels )

14/11/1940
Belgian coast
CR-42
Spitfires
MM5703
18°Gruppo
95Sqdr - 56 Stormo
Ursel
Ten. Artina Ramolo
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Re: Italian Losses in 1940/41 while Based in Belgium.
Hello ,

Here one more ,
14/02/1941
Steenbrugge ( Brugge)
Fiat G-50 bis
Fighters at 1245hrs
20 Gruppo /352°Squadrilla/56 Stormo
Maldegem
Ten. Roncalli Mario (KIA)
Seems he was the last Italian killed in Belgium. Buried at Evere ( Brussels ) ,reburried at Verano Rome in 1964

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