RAF losses over Holland september 1944 map
 

Data credits can be found here: http://www.studiegroepluchtoorlog.nl/
Map September 1944: http://batchgeo.com/map/328adfb365e3...bb29be079ed952

All the interactive maps contain data on more levels be it location, airplane type etc. All searchable strings ( like i.g. day fighter or a date.) in a map can be found by clicking on a single pin on a map see pic 1.

• Option 1 Search bar. Enter the required search string into the google like search bar.
• Option 2 The coloured circle. This means there is a cluster of events. By clicking on this a more zoomed in view will appear. Repeat when needed.
• Option 3 The pins at the bottom of the map.(Red high lighted circle) The are the dividers I used to project the data. By clicking on it you will get all event concerning that item. So by clicking pin "Bomber" all crashed bomber locations with data will appear.

Re: RAF losses over Holland september 1944 map
 

Nice job

A minor comment: rather than call your classification 'role', call it type. It will be a better description, because some of your Stirling listed as bomber losses were in fact transports. And the reconnaissance Spitfire losses are listed as fighters.

Re: RAF losses over Holland september 1944 map
 

i changed role to type

and made Usaaf losses for September 1944.

http://batchgeo.com/map/ae8ba286cddc...b0a4a711f60661

Re: RAF losses over Holland september 1944 map
 

Hello Schnautzer,

First of all: what a good idea to build such a map, gives an impressive look on the many crashes!
Secondly, I looked (of course) to the crashes near my hometown Venlo and saw a new RAF unit: 3./Nachtschlacht Gruppe 2 :D which of course should be a Luftwaffe loss.

Keep up the good work, best regards, Marcel

Re: RAF losses over Holland september 1944 map
 

Hello Schnautzer

An excellent website - my late father served with 125 Wing HQ, and was amongst the first there in the advance party of the ground echelon when the RAF took over at Grave/Keent.

My only suggestions are:

change Liasson to Liaison and all the Stirlings lost around the Arnhem area that I have checked were from 38 Group RAF, and would have been on glider towing and supply drop missions and were not bombers.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operati...rder_of_battle for a list of the Stirling squadrons operating in the transport role.

regards

Allan

Re: RAF losses over Holland september 1944 map
 

Done

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Thanks - and can you remove the Stirling IV's from Bombers and place them in Transports along with the C47/Dakotas, as they were not equipped for bombing - only glider tug and supply drop missions.

Allan

Re: RAF losses over Holland september 1944 map
 

L.S.,

On the 5th of September 1944 TWO (not one) Spitfires of the 310 were lost near Breukelen. Numbers MA225 and MH616 were hit by flak while in a group of three attacking a (heavily defended) barge transport in the Amsterdam-Rijnkanaal. Both Czech pilots. One Spitfire 'crashed near Utrecht' with the pilot having to parachute out being caught and ending up as POW. The other emergency-landed 'south of Amsterdam' with the pilot returning back to liberated territory assisted by resistance in December of that year. Big problem still: where precisely did one plane crash and the other emergency-land? To make things more easy: Breukelen is 'south of Amsterdam' and 'near Utrecht'....

For the Dutch amongst us: the 5th of September 1944 is 'mad Tuesday' (dolle dinsdag).

Kind regards,
Hendrik Land

Re: RAF losses over Holland september 1944 map
 

Hello Snautzer

Thank you for making the changes from Bomber to Transport for the Stirling IV losses - however, on my copy this morning it still shows "Liasson" though, so it would seem your change of 14 June did not work?

Allan

Re: RAF losses over Holland september 1944 map
 

Changed it again. Thank you for correction.

http://batchgeo.com/map/328adfb365e3...bb29be079ed952

Re: RAF losses over Holland september 1944 map
 

Hello Snautzer

Thanks - it looks really good now, and thank you most sincerely for all of your work on the September 1944 losses.

Allan

Re: RAF losses over Holland september 1944 map
 

Hello Snautzer

Just noticed another one - the 855 Squadron Avenger JZ490 loss on 4 September would be from the Royal Navy, not the RAF, I only found the one, so not sure how many you have on the website?

Operating with Coastal Command, but not part of the RAF - see http://www.royalnavyresearcharchive....m#.U6AhJiVOVjo

regards

Allan

Re: RAF losses over Holland september 1944 map
 

The "De Studiegroep Luchtoorlog 1939-1945 (SGLO)" noted i think only this one.

Re: RAF losses over Holland september 1944 map
 

Hello Snautzer

They are probably correct - the squadrons had more losses earlier in the Invasion period.

So, hopefully, only the one to amend.

regards

Allan

Re: RAF losses over Holland september 1944 map
 

Guys,

Avenger RN stuff is great info, but we are way off subject here with the thread. Would you like me to split it off in a separate, new thread?

Re: RAF losses over Holland september 1944 map
 

Hello John

It is probably the only RN Avenger on the map "The "De Studiegroep Luchtoorlog 1939-1945 (SGLO)" noted i think only this one" but it is relevant as it was lost over Holland in September 1944, and it was operating under control of Coastal Command, which of course was RAF, and no thread split is necessary IMHO.

cheers

Allan

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Well i cant be 100 % sure but i think this could be the wreck of 855 Squadron Avenger JZ490 passing through Voorschoten.

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Hello Snautzer

thanks for the update

Well, it certainly looks like one - any idea when the photo was taken at all?

See http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=50189
where it states fatalities 0, but then lists Lt (A ) D.C. Scott, Royal Navy, pilot, killed. and I have found this link about him, his crew, and mission:-

http://www.eboards4all.com/683387/messages/1049.html and some more info here

http://www.eboards4all.com/683387/messages/1050.html and it has also found fame as a 1/72 scale model, by Hobby Master http://www.anticsonline.co.uk/1612_1_105482570.html

Allan

Re: RAF losses over Holland september 1944 map
 

Hi Snautzer and Allan,

Sorry to disturb your enthousiasm about the Avenger wreck, but first of all JZ490 crashed into the North Sea, secondly the wreckage on the picture isn't passing at all, but put there on purpose. It seems to me a postwar emergency exercise and the wreckage appears to be an obsolete Avenger of the Dutch Navy, at that time being located on the nearby airfield Valkenburg.

Regards,
Hans

Re: RAF losses over Holland september 1944 map
 

I live nearby nearby airfield Valkenburg so that option had crossed my mind. It could have been a Bescherming Bevolking drill. Probably is.

Re: RAF losses over Holland september 1944 map
 

Thank you Hans - in this instance a disappointment, but I was recently researching a Spitfire XIV that had left 41 Squadron in July 1945, and was damaged Cat E, with the new squadron, and then a photo of it turned up on the web when it had crash landed at B.174 Utersen, so anything is possible, sometimes!!

Allan