Ju88 crash OLt Gert Blume, near Isjum 1942
 

Does anybody has any more information on a relative's death? Oberleutnant Gert Blume, Edelweissgeschwader I./KG 51, who was killed in action 23.5.1942 as pilot of his Ju 88? Provisional graves in a sunflower field.

http://666kb.com/i/cvh7o9m0yq7ltziu6.jpg

Re: Ju88 crash OLt Gert Blume, near Isjum 1942
 

Ju 88A-4 WNr. 5721 bei Welikaja per loss report (Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #6)-Vol.9). With Lfl.4. No other details.

Re: Ju88 crash OLt Gert Blume, near Isjum 1942
 

9K+GB, 30 km südwestlich Isjum, 18 km nördlich Barwenkowo, 300 m westlich Straße, Jägerbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.

Matti

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Thank you so much Matti and Jim.
Is both of your information one and the same plane?

I have marked to best of information the crash site here:

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Today I got information from Volksbund Dt Kriegsgräberfürsorge (German War Grave Commission) about the possible whereabouts of Gert Blume's remains.
The temporary grave-as seen in the picture above- with the 4 burned crew members, later have been buried in Barwenkowo (see map above). The graves in B. were barely identifyable in the late 90s and had been robbed by grave looters. After bilateral government agreement on the status of German dead in the Ukraine, all 663 German soldiers have been exhumed in B. and were moved to a VdK maintained concentration cemetery in Charkow. Sadly most ID tags had been robbed in B. and most soldiers from there had to be reburied as unknowns. His name is now etched in a big granite block together with thousand others next to the burial site.

Do not support Ukrainian and Russian looters and trade or buy ID tags!

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Could anybody help with the crew functions of this loss.
Best regs,
Steve.

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My db entry (with Matti's info included) -

Ju 88A-4, 5721, Blume, Oblt. Gert, , I., , KG 51, , 9K+GB, , , 23-May-42, KIA with crew due to Luftkampf with enemy fighters., bei Welikaja, Bs Fw. Heinrich Düssen per loss, right name per grave photo., Lfl.4/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #6)-Vol.9; Salonen via TOCH on 24-Jan-15, Medcalf, 30km südwestlich Isjum, 18km nördlich Barwenkowo, 300m westlich Straße, 100%, F, B Uffz. Werner van Drago, Bf Ofw. Christof Müller & Bs Fw. Heinrich Deussen, , Heinkel Flzg.Werke Oranienburg in Oct-41

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"Heinkel Flzg.Werke Oranienburg in Oct-41"

info here is .... incorrect.

Ju 88 A-4 (088)5721 was ATG.

Pilot Rolf Baltabol tested lots of them in Ju 88´s in 50xx, 51xx, 52xx, 55xx, 56xx, 57, 58xx and 59xx series. He worked for ATG.

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Sorry Ed. I will admit that I'm working from older sources for much of the construction info - my bad. I need to get a copy of Baltabol's FB!!

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You need correct them others ;-)
All this is old stuff. Only Medcalf turned down an offer to get it correct.
Getting Baltabol does not solve the problem.

I wonder if Medcalf really had any correct. He usually was (is) one or two months off for true Production dates (them dates one sees stamped on dataplates) because of use of delivery figures (and only some of them), and deliveries are not same as "production", it usually took 4 to 6 weeks to transport parts, assemble and test, and then deliver... And these delivery figures have all the clergical and categorical errors possible... and planes were not delivered in W.Nr. order (only roughly), some were delayed. I suspect some even exchanging W.Nr´s before delivery (because often there were hidden construction or line numbers behind these), it appears so because plates found suggest so, and some few failed delivery!

Ok. Here goes... "new decicion W.Nr.´s by JFM in Oct 1939"

088 0xxx JFM (A-1, A-5, A-6 etc. and conversions
(incl. C-1, C-2, C-3, C-4, C-5, C-7, D-2 but Ju 88 B V series was separate.)

088 1xxx JFM (A-4 and D-1, D-5)

088 2xxx Arado (A-1, A-5, A-6, A-4)

088 3xxx Henschel (A-1, A-5, A-6, A-4)

088 4xxx Nord Deutcher Dornier (A-1, A-5, A-4)

088 5xxx ATG (A-1, A-5, A-4)

088 6xxx Heinkel (A-1, A-5, A-4)

088 7xxx Dornier Sud (A-1 and A-5 only) - and no Ju 88 B series here, despite Medcalf list them such in his book.

088 8xxx Siebel (A-1, A-5, A-4)

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Anybody knows where Welikaja is located? I only find a Velika Komyshuvakha and a Velyka Andriivka nearby the crash site on today's googleearth.

Re: Ju88 crash OLt Gert Blume, near Isjum 1942
 

Have a look here http://www.mapywig.org/m/German_maps...usg.3_1943.jpg

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Thanks Andy, great map! and found it!
The crash site could be identified with the 1:300.00 map and zooming into another available online 1:100.000 map from 1943, revealed that my first anticipated crash site is not correct. The road did not exist then. If of interest, I can post the exact crash location 5 km further to the west.

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Updated location of crash site
1. Overview
2. Detail zoom
3. Extract from 1943 map

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Nice detective work, gentlemen. Thanks to all.

GRM

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Never say never.....
I found some images of Gert Blume here in the web. The images correspond with the picture my mother had always with her....

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Afterburner:

Does anybody have the crash site's recorded Lw Planquadrat/ map reference/ grid square in his files? WAST?

Re: Ju88 crash OLt Gert Blume, near Isjum 1942
 

Bump-up - does anybody has a copy of the Wast file concerning this crash please?

Re: Ju88 crash OLt Gert Blume, near Isjum 1942
 

egbert, could you maybe contact me per e-mail? anna.bidus@tvworking.pl I'd really like to speak with you about your relative!

Re: Ju88 crash OLt Gert Blume, near Isjum 1942
 

Who knows the name of the air force base, Gerd Blume and his crew flew off for their final flight?

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Color photo of crashsite and graves

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To the mod team:
where have all my pictures and map images gone that were inserted in my posts here please??????

Re: Ju88 crash OLt Gert Blume, near Isjum 1942
 

Read this from last October: http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showpo...8&postcount=50

Re: Ju88 crash OLt Gert Blume, near Isjum 1942
 

Ok got it guys. Is there a possibility that I re-insert the images/maps in the respective posts here retrospectively? Kind of an "edit my content"?

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Because all my posted images were lost in the forum crash, here are the relevant pictures once again:

1.
http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/pictur...&pictureid=918

2.
http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/pictur...&pictureid=919

3.
http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/pictur...&pictureid=917

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How history repeats in the sunflower fields near Isjum - exactly 80 years later:

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/pictur...&pictureid=935

or

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/pictur...&pictureid=934

Re: Ju88 crash OLt Gert Blume, near Isjum 1942
 

The sunflower fields near Isjum are huge. This crashed SU-35 was downed near Isjum 300m next to a road like the Ju 88 of Gerd Blume. Same region, same geography, almost same time of the year but 80 years later. For me: intriguing.

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/pictur...&pictureid=948


http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/pictur...&pictureid=947